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How Do You Spot a Bad Recruiter? | NoBSJobSearchAdvice.com

An easy question with a complicated answer.

Summary

The question for today is, "How do you spot a bad recruiter?" I think it's a wonderful question, but, I'm not going to give you the answer that you expect.

Here's what my thinking is. Most of you think that a bad recruiter is someone who doesn't get a job for you. You think a bad recruiter is someone who doesn't find you work. As a matter of fact, they may never arrange for an interview for you.

The problem with that is you are confused about what a recruiter is supposed to do. You make the mistake of thinking that recruiters work for you when, in fact, recruiters are paid by employers, not paid to find positions for someone.

I read an answer on Quora. I want to acknowledge it and poke holes in it. It starts off, "From the beginning when you get a first email message from a recruiter, skim to the bottom. Was it written to you. If you could change the name of the top and so the 200s of people… That's the sign of a bad recruiter!"

No. That's an indication that they are casting a wide net. They don't know if you're going to be interested. As a matter of fact, most people will never respond. It's not that they send out bulk email (because in some way, shape or form, you pay contact with them in the past). They have a database that lets them know that one time, when you are in touch with them in the past, you did similar work to what was being sought by the client.

They are presenting an opportunity. You have to accept that opportunity. That's fine.

"They use buzzwords and pick up lines. Bad recruiters have conversations where they use buzzwords and weak pickup lines."

I have no idea what this person means by, "weak pickup lines." They are obviously being sarcastic. However, buzzwords may reflect technology and functionality within a particular profession that a client may require. You have to find out whether the person has those skills pretty quickly in order to see if you are wasting your time and theirs.

"They don't understand its structure of an interview. They ask questions out of left field that seem like they are out of order."

No. Something may have popped into their mind that they forgot to cover. I'm a human being. I do make mistakes. I do forget they ask certain things. If you think, bad recruiter, having filled more than 1200 positions plus consulting assignments, having gone 1500+ YouTube videos on job search, having done three podcasts and a whole host of things because I have something that didn't seem like was in the right sequence for you, how do you feel if someone criticize you for that in your work?

I'm imperfect being. So are you. Give me a break. Don't expect perfection.

"Hard sell." That might be the side of a bad recruiter. I'm going to conceive that point. Some people sell hard. If the reason that they are selling hard is because you changed your story will beg, well, excuse me!

There is an inconsistency that you have not communicated, you've changed your mind, we've gone to bat (as you must realize, contingency recruiters are only paid it if you are hired and remain in the employ of the client for certain period of time).

As a result, your change, on communicated, is a surprise. When we are surprised, often, we are looking at a substantial portion of our income going away. I know that doesn't mean anything to you, but you have to expect that there will be a human reaction to that.

"The questions that they ask are dumb." An employer often requires us to ask and take questions to ensure that a person is qualified.

"We don't follow up do they do all the talking? Are they listening to what you are saying? Do they do the things they say they will when they well?" Do you?

I will simply say, recruiters are imperfect beings. We are sometimes held up by our clients who change their mind and have their circumstances change.

At the end of the day, we don't work for you. We work for an employer who is paying us just like you work for an employer who is paying you. When push has to come to shove, you can do whatever you wish, however, what you interpret as being a bad recruiter often isn't.

I will give you one thing. One of the best indicators of a good recruiter is longevity. They have had success in their field. Worked for their organization (organizations in general) for lengthy periods of time.

I'm not saying this to blow my own horn, but I have survived many recessions and thrived for more than 40 years. That should send a message to you. Will it be perfect for everyone? Absolutely not. A lot of people will judge me as a bad recruiter because I haven't help them.

Okay. Your background doesn't fit what my clients want to hire. Do you think I'm going to get on the phone and call thousand companies for FREE (because you're not paying me anything) to find a job for you? NO!!! I paid by organizations to find talent for them, not to find you a job.

So, remember, who does a recruiter work for? That's the basis of the question. The answer is an employer. They make the judgment by hiring the firm the recruiter works for, doing it time and again, hiring that individual recruiter time and again to fill positions

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a career and leadership coach who worked as a recruiter for more than 40 years. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1200 episodes, “Job Search Radio,” “and his newest

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show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

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How to Give a Recruiter a Rough Time (The H-1b version)

EP 1234 Do you have an H-1b visa? This is what some of you do that gives a recruiter a rough time.

Summary

I'm doing a short series about how to be up a recruiter. How to basically grind them down and where them out on your side. This one is specifically geared toward people with an H-1B visa . . . You know, people who are foreign nationals, legal right to work in the United States, no problem with that, but there's some things that you do that just drive recruiters crazy. Here are couple of examples period

The ad says that there no Visa transfers. You apply anyway. How do you think that's going to work? The client is unwilling to transfer a visa. What makes you think they are suddenly going to look at your resume and go, “OH! OH! OH! This person would be perfect! We are going to change corporate policy and agreed to transfer a visa.” It doesn't happen, does it? Do you know anyone that has ever happened to you? No. So, why are you doing it?

Another thing you do is send out your resume, it has a name and a phone number on it an email address. Where are you? The job ad indicates that the client is unwilling to relocate someone and we are supposed to figure out, based upon the name and phone number where you are. Because, even when you put your mobile number on there, you moved two or three times. You may not be anywhere near that place or you may be . . . We just have no way of knowing. I know you may be concerned about identity theft but city, state and ZIP Code on it, okay?

Then, there's a second reason for that. If you put city, state and ZIP Code on it and have uploaded a resume into a system, we can find you in the future when we do have something where there is a visa transfer. Without ZIP Code, where are you? Everyone is searching by the skills and are searching by proximity to the employer. Since most firms don't pay for relocation. So, with that, put your city, state and ZIP Code on so that, in this way, we can find you in the system. Because, ultimately what is starting to happen is you are spamming relentlessly. You're nothing but a Viagra ad are a Cialis add or someone trying to sell lottery tickets or nonsense.

I can't give you the courtesy of a phone call because I yet so many of these. Every day, there are so many in my inbox I have to set up signature files and reply, “what is your ZIP Code? Where are you as well as a series of other questions. Do you think I can call everyone, leave a message, have you get back to me and waste my time that way, too. So, bizarre of all things! Then, I write to you and you never respond back. All I’m doing is asking a couple of simple questions from a time management standpoint, but suddenly you go, “but why doesn’t he call me? I deserve a phone call!” It doesn't work that way, does it?

So I'm just asking you, instead of hurting so many people with your m, just follow the instructions in the job ad that you are applying to. If it says, “no third parties that are involved,” don't send a resume that says, “for more information on Corp to Corp work, contact my agent.” Why? Why are you doing this?

If the ad says, “no visa transfers,” don't apply. If the ad says, “no relocation,” give us an idea where you are because, I can’t tell you, I get so many resumes of different people who are away from the geography, you never look and then, you go, “Oh, well. Will they do remote work?”

NO!!!

They won’t do remote work!

So, don't be an idiot. Don't be cruel. Don't be an a**hole! Just make it clear. Where are you? Only apply to jobs that you fit. Follow the instructions in the ad.

So, I hate being blunt like this but I’ve just spent days like this recently, responding back to people and it hurts. You may not give a sh*t, I do. I’ve got a family, just like you do. So, be careful, okay?

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a career and leadership coach who worked as a recruiter for more than 40 years. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1200 episodes, “Job Search Radio,” “and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Connect with me on LinkedIn. Then message me to schedule an initial complimentary session.

If you have questions for me, call me through the Magnifi app for iOS (video) or PrestoExperts.com (phone)

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

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Join and attend my classes on Skillshare. Become a premium member and get 2 months free.

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.” If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

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For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.

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Your Biggest Mistake Working With Recruiters | JobSearchTV.com


Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter points out the biggest mistake job hunters make when they think about working with recruiters.

Summary

Today, I want talk with you about your expectations of working with a recruiter and point out to you that they may be out of whack.

Most people have the mistaken notion that a recruiter works for them. That is the job hunter you're in charge and the recruiter is working for you. That’s partially right. To understand who are recruiter works for, ask yourself how much are you paying them? Seriously, how much you paying them? Nothing. Who's paying the recruiter? The employer. Do you think a recruiter is going to go out once they have your resume and knock on thousands of doors until they find a job for you?

No. That's a working for you really means. It means that they are out there trying to find a job for you; in point of fact, since employers are paying recruiters, they’re working for the employer and what they're trying to do more often than not is finesse you into the square box that the employer has defined in terms of job, in terms of compensation, in terms of role and responsibilities . . . Every step along the line. If you don't fit that box, you're not on their radar screen.

When they get a job, when they find the job the fits you, have no fear period They will get back in touch. But understand, they are not working for you. They’re really working for the employer.

Now, I also don’t want to ignore the fact that, ultimately, they have to listen to you and work with your constructs and your needs, wants and desires in order to fill a position. But, if you think your number one, in their book, you are very confused because, ultimately, as is in your life, the person who pays you is the one to whom the loyalty exists.

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a career and leadership coach who worked as a recruiter for more than 40 years. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1200 episodes, “Job Search Radio,” “and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Connect with me on LinkedIn. Then message me to schedule an initial complimentary session.

If you have questions for me, call me through the Magnifi app for iOS (video) or PrestoExperts.com (phone)

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

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Join and attend my classes on Skillshare. Become a premium member and get 2 months free.

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.” If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

Do you have questions or would like advice about networking or any aspect of your search. Order and schedule time with me.

Would you like me to critique your resume. Order a critique from me

For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.

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How to Get on a Recruiter’s Radar | NoBSJobSearchAdvice.com


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EP 1175 On this show on this show, I discuss how to get on a recruiter’s radar.

Summary

So you've seen an ad and it's a roadmap for what they're looking for. Take a look at your resume and ask yourself, "How does that really match up? Does it match up? Do I have the experience, but my resume doesn't really express it well? I need to fix the resume." That's going to be the benchmark by which they go. You can also get on their radar by . . . There are going to be times where they are going to contact you and say, "Hey, I'm doing this with our client. Do you know someone?" and being supportive of them. If they get abusive, and one particular recruiter calls you every day four times a day for referrals, you just tell them, "This is getting to be a little too much. I'm willing to help but I'm not stupid. I've got a job to do. It is not putting money in your pocket. I'm willing to help but why don't you send an email with this information?

Now the true recruiter model,they are out there hunting for you. They're trying to find you. If you're working with at a level where they're going to be dealing with a contingency firm or an executive firm, that really doesn't matter. Part of it is you want them to find you. And there's a number of easy ways to do it.

Number one is you start being in situations where there it is publicity about you. So, for example, you've written a book, you have an article, there are a number of articles that you've written, a number of books. The firm that you are going to wind up looking for someone like that because they represent being an expert. In another instance. Let's say, you are not at that higher level where you're an author and publishing deal with a major publisher. Another thing you can do you speak at conferences. You know, you can be part of a program for a trade group where you are presenting on a subject. It doesn't have to be the most sophisticated presentation but understand they'll find you through Google.

Another way is your LinkedIn profile. There are recruiters who operate at that level who are looking through LinkedIn and you need to demonstrate a keyword rich LinkedIn profile where they are finding you based on your experiences. They are seeing things in the profile such as articles that you've written for LinkedIn, connections to podcasts where you have been interviewed or perhaps PowerPoints on SlideShare that help firms recognize and help recruiters recognize I should say that you're not the average individual. By doing these powerpoints and putting them up on SlideShare and connecting them to your LinkedIn profile, it's a great way to stand out from the pack and and demonstrate that you are an expert.

Have a Web site where you have your resume. Have a blog on that Web site where you talk about, not your family but professional matters. These were all great ways for discovery to occur because, understand a real headhunter is help, they are trying to find you and they are looking looking for people in ways, did not trying to find you on LinkedIn most of the time.
They may use LinkedIn to correlate, but they are using Google to try to find people who will impress their clients, just by the fact that there is PR about them they presented . . . a whole host of things along these lines.

So I want you to think of your career as a business and, in doing so, when you look at what businesses do to be discovered, you know, it's not just the advertising that they do because there are a lot of places that don't advertise that you go to, right?

Just because you've seen them in the neighborhood that you're buying. After all, the first time shopped on Amazon you never heard of them before. You had no idea what to expect. You went to Amazon, had a great experience. Again, you went to Amazon to be discovered and put yourself in the position to be discovered. That will go a long way toward being discovered by third party recruiters.

And again, if you're working with the agency level with someone who only response so resumes that are sent to them, remember your resume just has to demonstrate the fit and then they will be happy to help.

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a career and leadership coach who worked as a recruiter for what more than 40 years. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1100 episodes, “Job Search Radio,” “and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Connect with me on LinkedIn. Then message me to schedule an initial complimentary session.

If you have questions for me, call me through the Magnifi app for iOS (video) or PrestoExperts.com (phone)

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

Join and attend my classes on Skillshare. Become a premium member and get 2 months free.

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.” If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

Do you have questions or would like advice about networking or any aspect of your search. Order and schedule time with me.

Would you like me to critique your resume. Order a critique from me

For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.

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How Do You Treat a Bad Recruiter? | JobSearchTV.com


It is absolutely bizarre to me that someone would ask this question. Yet there I was, and I need to answer it.

Summary

I received this question from someone and I just shake my head when I read it. The question is, “How do you treat bad recruiter?”

I don't know what this person means by, “bad recruiter.” I normally associate people's thinking of a bad recruiter as someone who doesn't get them an interview, who doesn't get them a job or doesn't return phone calls, etc. etc.

I know there are people who thought of me is a bad recruiter and I thought of them as bad candidates, but I digress for a second. I will simply say I don't know what a bad recruiter it is. If it's one of the above categories, maybe you play a part in this. Maybe you submitted a resume that doesn't fit a job. Maybe they wouldn't submit you to a job that you really wanted to be submitted to because you weren’t qualified but you think of them as “bad” because they didn't listen to you. .

You see, you don't pay most recruiters anything. Unless you're in a a lower echelon position, fees are being paid by employers. Recruiters work for the employer; they don’t work for you.

If they were rude to you, if they were abrupt with you, I always ask, “Wasn't there something that you did to invoke that.” Maybe they had a bad day. Whatever It is, the question is, “how do you treat a bad recruiter?”

Get your parents teach anything about manners? They may be obnoxious, but that doesn't mean that you have to go there. And I'll simply say that, for most individuals, It's far better to think long term. And I will just remind you that, for someone like me who worked in search for more than 40 years, I had a long memory. I remembered a lot of things that people said and did that have become the basis for some other videos and podcasts I've done. And there were people, I would not submit, for jobs because, they were just obnoxious I couldn't tell how they would act with the client of mine. .

So, you're always far better to simply, say, “Hey look, I am not interested in making a job change right, but stay in touch from time to time, if you hear about something because, after all, (I am going to detour here for a second) the person who gets ahead isn't always the smartest or work, although those are great qualities to have. The person who gets ahead is the one that remains alert to opportunities. Sometimes, those opportunities are internal to the organization. More often than not, they are external to it.

So, you never want to be offensive to a recruiter because you never know when they learn about a position and want to consider you for search. Why would you turn them off?

Again, I don't believe you need to go job hunting with recruiters, but if someone approaches you about a role, why would you ever be offensive to them? Why would you ever consider that you should treat them in any other way than with the same respect that you want to be treated?
It's bizarre to me that people actually think that this is a question that requires any sort of you. You treat everyone in your life with respect. You demonstrate excellence in your behavior and, lo and behold, great stuff comes back to you.

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a career and leadership coach who worked as a recruiter for what more than 40 years. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1100 episodes,“ Job Search Radio,” “and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Visit www.TheBigGameHunter.us and click the relevant tab on the top of the page.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

Join and attend my classes on Skillshare. Become a premium member and get 2 months free.

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.” If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

Do you have questions or would like advice about networking or any aspect of your search. Order and schedule time with me.

Would you like me to critique your resume. Order a critique from me

For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.

How Do I Know A Headhunter and Their Opportunities Are Legitimate? | NoBSJobSearchAdvice.com


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EP 1100 On this show, I’m asked to address 1 of the basic questions that job hunters have.   Is the opportunity being presented to me real?

Summary

I received a question from someone that basically translates into, "How do I know a headhunter and their opportunities are legitimate?"

1st of all, I think they misuse the term, "headhunter" because I sense that this person is a little less experienced than most. For C suite professionals, the headhunters that they are dealing with are 100% legitimate. Even the question, the word "legit." What does that really mean? Are. You questioning whether they have the job that they're actually pitching to you? Why would you question that? "Because in the past I spoke with firms and they never got back to me."

It's certainly possible that you weren't qualified in their mind for the role that they were presenting. You know, you didn't fit in some way or have the skill or knowledge for the position. People create this myth of legitimacy around recruiters because they think they've been lied to. Trust me. If a recruiter can get you the interview they will get you in the door.

The reason they don't get you in the door is (1) you don't have the skills the client is looking for. That is reason number 1. They are doing this is "social work." They are not working for government agencies collecting checks. They are they are trying to fill positions so that they earn a fee/commission. That's the way it works.

Even with the retained search firms, the issue comes down to, yes, they have a portion of their money in advance, , but they are not going to be able to work with that client again and certainly not have the opportunity to present the people unless they are effective. I think a lot of the criticism of search. firms whether it is the contingency firms or the retained firms, comes down to a misunderstanding of what they do. Recruiters don't work for you. Headhunters don't work for you. They work for an organization that pays them.

So let's use the assumption that your junior individual trying to figure out whether this job that's being presented to you is pure fantasy. Why do you think they would do that? What's in it for them to do that? Oh! I know! You get into their database! The database now is LinkedIn. They don't need you for that. It's not like the old days when contingency recruiters try to get your resume into their system. There are 500 million people and counting in the LinkedIn database. If it isn't for that reason, why do you think they might have an "illegitimate job?"

To trick you? For what purpose? To have you take a job? Let's talk to the client and find out the position is right for you. The answer is NOTHING!

Let's put this notion of legitimacy aside, whether it's with the contingency firm. Whether you're dealing with someone less experienced, they are just parroting back what they've been told by more experienced people there. If what they're parroting back to you doesn't sound right, ask them questions they may just run off and as someone else in order to get the answer for you. Yes questions. If you're not satisfied with the answer, that's okay. Don't follow through on the job.

With the retained firms, ask away! You are dealing with very experienced and seasoned people who have no interest in line with you because they know that after your on board in a leadership role, you will destroy them. There is nothing in it for them to do that.

Put aside this notion of whether the headhunter was legitimate or not. By the way, size of the search firm or size of the agency is completely irrelevant in this equation. Just because a firm is big means that they're going to tell you the truth? They have been successful for some period of time; that's great; they've satisfy client needs. However, not everyone who has taken a job to that firm has been completely satisfied. It's just the nature of life.

The short answer to your original question is you never can tell. The more textured answer is that there is very little reason to doubt it because at the end of the day, there is very little in it for the search firm. After all, your resume already exists in the biggest resume database imaginable (LinkedIn) annual ultimately find out the truth from the client anyway.

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves career coaching, all as well as executive job search coaching and life coaching. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1000 episodes,“ Job Search Radio,” “and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Visit www.TheBigGameHunter.us and click the relevant tab on the top of the page.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

Join and attend my classes on Skillshare. Become a premium member and get 2 months free.

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.” If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

Do you have questions or would like advice about networking or any aspect of your search. Order and schedule time with me.

Would you like me to critique your resume. Order a critique from me

For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.

 

How Do I Know A Headhunter and Their Opportunities Are Legitimate? | NoBSJobSearchAdvice.com

EP 1100 On this show, I’m asked to address 1 of the basic questions that job hunters have.   Is the opportunity being presented to me real?

Summary

I received a question from someone that basically translates into, "How do I know a headhunter and their opportunities are legitimate?"

1st of all, I think they misuse the term, "headhunter" because I sense that this person is a little less experienced than most. For C suite professionals, the headhunters that they are dealing with are 100% legitimate. Even the question, the word "legit." What does that really mean? Are. You questioning whether they have the job that they're actually pitching to you? Why would you question that? "Because in the past I spoke with firms and they never got back to me."

It's certainly possible that you weren't qualified in their mind for the role that they were presenting. You know, you didn't fit in some way or have the skill or knowledge for the position. People create this myth of legitimacy around recruiters because they think they've been lied to. Trust me. If a recruiter can get you the interview they will get you in the door.

The reason they don't get you in the door is (1) you don't have the skills the client is looking for. That is reason number 1. They are doing this is "social work." They are not working for government agencies collecting checks. They are they are trying to fill positions so that they earn a fee/commission. That's the way it works.

Even with the retained search firms, the issue comes down to, yes, they have a portion of their money in advance, , but they are not going to be able to work with that client again and certainly not have the opportunity to present the people unless they are effective. I think a lot of the criticism of search. firms whether it is the contingency firms or the retained firms, comes down to a misunderstanding of what they do. Recruiters don't work for you. Headhunters don't work for you. They work for an organization that pays them.

So let's use the assumption that your junior individual trying to figure out whether this job that's being presented to you is pure fantasy. Why do you think they would do that? What's in it for them to do that? Oh! I know! You get into their database! The database now is LinkedIn. They don't need you for that. It's not like the old days when contingency recruiters try to get your resume into their system. There are 500 million people and counting in the LinkedIn database. If it isn't for that reason, why do you think they might have an "illegitimate job?"

To trick you? For what purpose? To have you take a job? Let's talk to the client and find out the position is right for you. The answer is NOTHING!

Let's put this notion of legitimacy aside, whether it's with the contingency firm. Whether you're dealing with someone less experienced, they are just parroting back what they've been told by more experienced people there. If what they're parroting back to you doesn't sound right, ask them questions they may just run off and as someone else in order to get the answer for you. Yes questions. If you're not satisfied with the answer, that's okay. Don't follow through on the job.

With the retained firms, ask away! You are dealing with very experienced and seasoned people who have no interest in line with you because they know that after your on board in a leadership role, you will destroy them. There is nothing in it for them to do that.

Put aside this notion of whether the headhunter was legitimate or not. By the way, size of the search firm or size of the agency is completely irrelevant in this equation. Just because a firm is big means that they're going to tell you the truth? They have been successful for some period of time; that's great; they've satisfy client needs. However, not everyone who has taken a job to that firm has been completely satisfied. It's just the nature of life.

The short answer to your original question is you never can tell. The more textured answer is that there is very little reason to doubt it because at the end of the day, there is very little in it for the search firm. After all, your resume already exists in the biggest resume database imaginable (LinkedIn) annual ultimately find out the truth from the client anyway.

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves career coaching, all as well as executive job search coaching and life coaching. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1000 episodes,“ Job Search Radio,” “and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Visit www.TheBigGameHunter.us and click the relevant tab on the top of the page.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

Join and attend my classes on Skillshare. Become a premium member and get 2 months free.

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.” If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

Do you have questions or would like advice about networking or any aspect of your search. Order and schedule time with me.

Would you like me to critique your resume. Order a critique from me

For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.

 

Understanding the Mindset of a Retained Search Recruiter | Job Search Radio


Recruiters, Can’t live with them. Shouldn’t live without them.

Retained search recruiters are often perceived of as the creme de la creme of the search world. What is the job of the retained search professional when their target is all so well rehearsed and generally extremely capable?

On this show, Jeff speaks with Mark Jaffe, a veteran executive recruiter as he speaks about how he evaluates and assesses particular contenders and helps his clients hire exceptional talent.

 

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves career coaching, all as well as executive job search coaching and business life coaching. He is the host of “Job Search Radio,” “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice.”

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Visit www.TheBigGameHunter.us and click the relevant tab on the top of the page.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

Do you have questions or would like advice about networking or any aspect of your search. Order and schedule time with me.

Would you like me to critique your resume. Order a critique from me

For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.

Recruiters Contacted Me About the Same Job! | No BS Job Search Advice Radio

EP 1019 Who should I call? The first?

Summary

"What you do. If multiple recruiters contact you about the same job? Do you go to 1st 1? Go with the one that you feel is the best one?" He says it happens to them a lot. There are a few subtleties in the dynamic that I have to address.

Sometimes, you get 4 calls in one day about the same job. You don't know you're going to get the 4th. You just take the 1st: someone is qualifying you.. The 2nd through 4th are out of luck because the probability is you gave the okay to the 1st 1, not because that they're the best because you didn't know there going to be other choices.

If you have voicemail messages waiting for you, that is a different scenario. That's true particularly for veteran individuals, for executives, senior managers, directors, and above. You go with the one that you have a relationship with who "gets you." You go with the one who, in the course of the conversation with them, gives you the idea that they have a great relationship with the client.

To some degree, this involves what I referred to as the (I make multiple sniffing noises) ability to smell BS. If you are hearing BS from someone, in the conversation. Be very polite about it, but don't go any further. If it some of that you have a relationship with, perhaps someone that you work with for several years, perhaps is the hiring manager and you work with them before, you know whether to trust them or not. Follow your gut here.

It all starts off with what is the relationship with the client? If they say, "It is a new client," they may not be able to finesse you in. If it is a long-standing one, that is not a guarantee , either. It really comes down to what your relationship is with this firm, happy benefit by your relationship with the recruiter, do you trust this person or not (obviously, don't be submitted by someone who you can't trust because whether it is an executive search or contingency service,, the folks who are not trustworthy are going to be difficult to believe for you. Once it comes time for you to decide on a job offer.

Let's be practical. You don't trust them. They are telling you all sorts of things about the firm. It is easy to get caught up in their "stuff." You don't know what to listen to or NOT listen to. They don't become an asset for you. Other than that they give you an introduction. Who can be that asset for you?

I will just tell you that JobSearchCoachingHQ.com it's a place where I am the ally of the job hunter. I am not there to collect a payday on a placement fee. I am there to give great advice. PERIOD. I don't want to represent the members there as a recruiter. I just want to help them get great jobs.

If you join the site, I'm going to give you impartial opinions based upon what you tell me and what they may coincidently know about the client. If the role, I only worked in recruiting for 44 years. I only felt about 1200 positions full time plus consulting assignments. I've written 9 books. I've create over 3000 YouTube videos. Hosted a few podcasts I don't know anything about finding a job! LOL. I want to help you.

I'll just simply say that, as in this case, there are always lots of variables. I'm pretty good at dissecting them. Maybe there was a variable that I did not consider-- leave a message for me. Let me know what you think would be more helpful and I will try to cover it another time.

ABOUT JEFF ALTMAN, THE BIG GAME HUNTER

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves career coaching, all as well as executive job search coaching and life coaching. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1000 episodes,“ Job Search Radio,” “and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice” and is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching, interview coaching, advice about networking more effectively, how to negotiate your offer or leadership coaching? Visit www.TheBigGameHunter.us and click the relevant tab on the top of the page.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Like me on Facebook.

Join and attend my classes on Skillshare

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle on Amazon and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.” If you are starting your search, order, “Get Ready for the Job Jungle.”

Don’t forget to give the show 5 stars and a good review in iTunes

If you want to know how to win more interviews, order “Winning Interviews.” You’ll learn how to win phone interviews, in-person interviews, the best question to ask on any interview and more.

Would you like to talk through a salary negotiation or potential negotiation you’re involved with? Order and schedule time with me.

Do you have questions or would like advice about networking or any aspect of your search. Order and schedule time with me.

Would you like me to critique your resume. Order a critique from me

For more about LinkedIn, order “Stacked: Double Your Job Interviews, Leverage Recruiters and Unlock LinkedIn.”

Jeff’s Kindle book, “You Can Fix Stupid: No BS Hiring Advice,” is available on Amazon.