People graduate from school or a number of years in their career and are so unsure about what they want to do next or if this is really right for them. I speak with Clarity Coach Tracy Timm about getting unstuck and taking action.

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hi this is Jeff open the big game hunter
and you are watching job search
or listening to no BS job search advice
radio and welcome as those of you who've
been following me for some time they
know at one point I was doing regular
30-minute interviews now I do them
intermittently and I have a guest for
you today
tracey tim is a career clarity expert
can't wait to find out what that is and
human capital advisor she's created a
program called the enth degree which you
can find out more about it's ray
she helps high potential professionals
discover their career sweet spot they
can love what they do and you know we
all want to do that it's somewhat alive
be awesome at their craft have an impact
on the world and make a lot of money at
the same time she's won over the last
five years with hundreds of
professionals and help them find in
securing jobs and hundreds of companies
attract engage and retain top talent
Tracey welcome thank you thank you for
that lovely introduction I appreciate it
what campy introduction clarity coach
how does someone become a clarity coach
it is probably the most popular question
I get because when I started out in this
industry you know everybody does career
coaching or a career strategy and I
realized that a strategy that would
actually set me apart would be to focus
on the clarity piece of the career
search process meaning there are so many
people out there that do you know
placement or work with your resume or
help with cover letters or make you a
better interviewer but there are so few
people who touch on what I really think
is the actual thing that we need to
diagnose and not the symptom which is
the fact that most of us really don't
know what the heck we want to do and
what we're looking for in the first
place and so I got into this business
because that exact thing happened to me
as you know a lot of entrepreneurs tend
to solve their own problems and then
realize hey I think I might not be the
only one
but I can help somebody out with this so
my journey started with a job that I
hated as does the journey of most of my
and thus what I looked at your LinkedIn
profile a human capital advisor which I
know no little boy or girl when they're
six years old grows up wanting to be so
what was your journey
and she discovering your clarity how did
you get detoured and then have to figure
it out yeah absolutely I love my story
now is definitely not a fun thing to go
through at the time I think young people
but I had the quintessential like
quarter life crisis and honestly I
walked right into it without really
realizing that that's what was happening
but I like a lot of people my age you
know we were raised really really busy
and checked a lot of boxes along the way
get the right you know get the best
grades play the right sport
play an instrument be in National Honor
Society like check check check right and
and all of that was meant to get us into
the best school possible which was I
went to Yale so I checked that box and I
played softball there and check that box
and and then I found something that I
love to study which was psychology and
I'm so thankful for that because a lot
of the people that I work with now have
degrees in something that seems
practical or they could get a job in or
maybe their parents push them to do and
not they don't use it at all but
thankfully I found psychology fell in
love with it however and this is where
the clarity piece starts to come in is
that it's not very clear what you might
do with a degree in psychology if you
don't want to immediately become a
therapist or counselor or do maybe even
sports psychology so a lot of the advice
I got along the way really just wasn't
that applicable and Yale was the kind of
place where and there's probably a lot
of people who are listening who had this
experience - I mean we got recruited
really heavily by some very specific
types of companies and so without
knowing what I wanted to do and without
being very clear on what my values were
and where I where I added value and what
I was naturally gifted at or
even you know what the best work
environment would be for me I I just
went with the recruiting process and so
I got recruited by a financial firm I
worked you know in sales and trading for
global investment bank for two and a
half years after I graduated and you
know the reason that I do what I do now
is that I was the epitome of misery like
I don't know if you've had a job you
hated I think most of us have and
whether that's you know the high school
job you had waiting tables or you had a
summer working for UPS or you worked for
two and a half years for a company like
I did where every day I just dreaded
going into the office I would have left
I would have run not walked out the door
had I just known what I wanted to do the
only thing keeping me there was like
okay I have this degree I have this
experience I have no idea how to put
them together or how to talk about my
experience in a way that would make
sense to a company so I called up my
university and just asked for anything a
resource a book strategy of a coach like
and they were and their response was to
say huh
yeah exactly the response was like well
we can introduce you to another company
or we could help you with their resume
or we can you know there they had
resources in a sense but nothing on the
clarity side and I just remembered
thinking I can't be the only person who
who has promise and has potential and
cookin' has been like a glorified black
belt box checker their whole life so you
know they can perform they just don't
know where they want to unleash that
potential so to speak it's as though
when you were a child no one ever asked
you the question so what do you want to
be when you grow up you know I mean have
the answer really stick with you yes I
think the assumed sort of response was
everything that I was doing I was doing
for a very clear next step and when you
graduate college there's no clear next
step and that's why a lot of people are
running into this crisis and you know 24
25 26 30 whatever
is because they're finally realizing
like oh I could do whatever I want and
this sort of realization of the the idea
that there's not one path of success and
and most of us hit it because I think we
followed what we thought was the one
path to success and it led to something
that was really unsavory you get on the
conveyor belt
I love the conveyor belt analogy I use
that all the time it moves you along the
process I'm gonna let you in on a secret
racing it's not just 20 s or 30 times it
takes people a lot longer to wake up and
realize is this all there is
you're so right and and you know a lot
of our marketing goes directly towards
quote the quote unquote young
professionals so 20s and 30s and really
highly motivated high potential the
oldest person we've had in any of our
programs is 55 and she was like this is
the first time in my life where I'm
actually owning what I want and use and
defining success the way I want to and
you've allowed me to do that so that was
a pretty cool breakthrough and this
clarity for you is the process of
understanding or getting clear on what
serves you and not you personally but
what a person is an individual what
their needs are what their wants are
instead of just saying you know
abdicating responsibility too big mom
your Big Daddy corporation yeah you know
it's it's kind of a terrifyingly simple
process when you think about it oh good
go into it but just don't take the time
to do it right and the easiest thing to
do is the is the path of least
resistance which is just continuing to
go to the same job and continuing to
complain and continuing to hope that the
next three days or the next promotion or
if I get to travel more or if I have
more days off like that's gonna make the
big difference when the reality is tons
of us are either working in it's one of
three things and I call them you're now
your nature in your nurture your now is
your values and your commitments so
likely you're not living in line with
those they saw what you're doing or your
nature which is what
naturally comes to you your gifts your
talents but also your personality in
your behavior so you're likely in an
environment that's not conducive to the
type of person that you naturally are or
it's your nurture meaning all of your
learned experiences over time so your
knowledge your skills your expertise if
you're not in a place where you can
leverage any of those things then you
feel really like you can't have an
impact or you're not working at your
fullest potential cog in the machine
yeah so it's usually it's just those
three things and and the cool thing is
you can reverse engineer what your ideal
work environment is what your ideal
subject matter is who you want to serve
how you want to do work by getting
really clear on each of those three
components so where does someone start
how do we engage them and tempt them so
they want to come back to you enough of
a an appetizer for them so how does
someone start this practice so the very
so within our foundational program the
very first thing that we get clear on is
your now and your now has a couple
components first and foremost I'm a big
fan of living in reality I don't want to
create an army of starving artists I
don't want to have people who can't pay
their bills and I certainly don't want
to incentivize people to become like the
best volunteers in the world and if you
give up you know income for impact right
so so we've got to get really clear on
like what are the circumstances of your
life because a person who's married with
two kids has total it has a totally
different set of choices they're not
better or worse they're just different
then somebody who's 25 and doesn't even
have a cat you know what I mean so it's
it really takes getting serious about
your your circumstances of your life
what is your reality right now what are
the bare minimum things you need to take
care of from a financial perspective and
just from a personal perspective and we
do that through a life audit but really
the most important part I think and the
most foundational piece of this process
in the now phase is getting really clear
on your values and core values not a new
concept right like people I want you to
define it for the audience because I
don't want to assume anything from the
people who watch we'll listen to this
sure that they though we're speaking the
same language so we have impact for them
to find a core value how would someone
think of what their values this is a
really good question so we have a
five-step process for defining your core
values but I'll just I'll simplify it
for the sake of this conversation so
you're here here's the easiest way to
think about your values every single
thing you do everything you spend your
money on every person you allow into
your life some way shows the world and
shows you what you value that's just
true right but the reality that I just
came upon it was like oh crap like this
is not good for most of us is that how
many of us actually set out our values
before we spend money or allow people
into our lives or decide what we're
gonna do
you don't want work great we don't but
but what we don't realize is even
without having set them in the first
place we are living out some set of
values just because we're alive and
living and doing things in the world
right so what we can figure out how we
can figure out what your actual values
are is to go all the way back to the
drawing board and ask yourself some
really basic questions like what brings
me joy or what can't what do I find
myself doing that when I'm doing it time
goes away I experience flow or I even
this is super basic I love to just go
back to a list there's a great core
values it's literally core values list
com I think it has a list of 500 core
value words and I read it and I just
wait for a word to resonate with me and
some years and some seasons of life
you're gonna resonate with very
different values right if I'm single
then married then have kids and have a
job that I love like your value set just
changes over time naturally and so we
want to work with that we don't want to
fight it so I find that if you ask
yourself what does this value mean to me
why is it important to me and
most importantly what happens when I
don't have it then you can really
uncover whether or not that's a true
core value that you can see yourself
living but here's the thing we court
like I said core value is not a new
thing what I like to do is is kick them
up a notch and turn your core values
into commitments and I learned this
process from an executive here in Dallas
so basically this is super simple you
guys but basically and I do it now every
year at least once a year so that I know
what my commitments are ahead of time
because it simplifies your decision
making process and I'll say that again
in a moment but basically he and his
wife literally at the beginning of every
year they just sit down and they set
their family's commitments this is what
our family's committed to this year and
some of them are pretty big and deep
like um we're gonna live in Texas until
our kids graduate from high school or at
least for the next year because I want
to keep them in the same school then
some of them for them were like pretty
what most people would say like cursory
like not that I'm not seemingly not that
important like they loved old homes so
they were committed to living in an area
that had old homes to choose from would
be surrounded by or whatever to me I was
just like that seems kind of throwaway
but to them it was a commitment so I say
that to make sure that people realize
your commitments don't have to be these
groundbreaking you know I have I have to
impact the world in this massive way
they could just be like you like old oak
so you want to live here and so that
being said what they did then was set
those commitments in advance and any
time opportunities came into the family
they would run those opportunities by
the commitments and he was like case in
point I got a call last week from a
company who wanted to recruit me as a
CEO of this new business and he was a
senior executive in Dallas so very much
a good opportunity for him and he looked
at his core value or his commitments and
number one was living in Texas and this
company wasn't in Texas and so he could
very easily without losing sleep without
worrying about it without being
distracted without the you know the
weeks and the months we spend
contemplating things that are total
non-starters right he didn't have to
blink an eye he just said you know what
that doesn't align with our family's
commitments I really appreciate the
you ever have anything in Texas let me
know and it's so interesting I'm going
to pause you here for one second because
the notion of commitment in our culture
these days is so strange - great point
no commitments are something that vary
based upon the current whim and that's
not obviously not a commitment it's yes
I mean a commitment is something that
you stake your reputation your life - it
has meaning to you and as a result this
is something that our culture the bigger
culture doesn't value as much as I
believe it should and it's part and it's
part of the reason why people get on the
conveyor belt it's part of that
abdicating responsibility to someone
else for looking out for them in their
life yeah better there to be the feather
in the wind from the Forrest Gump movie
yeah well the thing is it might not be
better but it's so much easier right
like like at first glance not being
committed to much of anything is like I
can do whatever I want but like any any
athlete any military person will tell
you anybody who's committed any sort of
like high level of discipline and their
life discipline is freeing like here the
cool thing about the set of commitments
is like when you're committed to them
you're free from the winds of like oh my
gosh I really have to consider this
opportunity because the Rays and the
blah blah blah blah well the reality is
there's possibly a commitment in your
list that if you had set them in advance
you could very easily just go down like
a waterfall and say crap this doesn't
hit commitment number five that means
it's definitely not going to hit six
seven eight nine or ten and so that's
out and it's just so freeing because you
stop beating yourself up you stop
feeling guilty you stop second-guessing
your decisions you stop overanalyzing
things that quite frankly aren't gonna
make you happy
they're just distractions
and you know I have to redo this process
every single year because I'd really try
to practice what I preach and so even
when I'm setting out my business goals I
go back to the basics and I figure out
how if my core values changed in this
year in particular I did it twice
because I thought I had done it I just
didn't take into account that I actually
met somebody that I you know think might
end up being the one right and so then I
had to re-evaluate again like where am i
spending my time and why and do I need
to feel guilty when I'm with him or
joining to feel guilty when I'm at the
business well the reality is no I never
need to feel guilty if ahead of a time
if ahead of time I set my values and my
commitments and I live by them I just I
get up on my soapbox a little bit about
this because I just can't people fight
it because they feel confined like every
time I do I do this with a with a client
in our foundational program they're like
but what if I miss something what if
what if I'm going to narrow what if I'm
not being open enough it imagine like
there's a there's a barrier between like
you and your dream job right and if I'm
poking at the barrier in all these
different places I'm never getting
enough momentum or consistency in one
place to break through the barrier the
only the only way to do that is to go
narrow and deep and any market or any
marketer will tell you this right if
you're advertising to everybody you're
advertising to nobody if you're out
there open to any job that'll come your
nobody wants you see my work is I take
the people like the ones that you poach
and I'll say to them what's most
important to you in the next job or
organization what will you need to see
or hear or feel to believe it's the
right choice for you and I have the
expectation that they're going to give
me this lengthy list of things from
which I'm going to invite them to narrow
it down and to prioritize for me about
the four things that are most important
from there I ask them that - tell me how
they'll recognize those things in other
words of the interview so that in this
way you know it's no surprise yes and
surprises in
surprises in the process of job hunting
are really good no one ever turns around
so I know yes 475 but we're going to
offer you 2.2 mil never happens so for
me I take the work that you do with them
where they're starting to think of their
individual values and then try and bring
it down to the specifics of the search
and what they're going to be looking for
so I can help them identify these things
now we've spent a lot of time on values
so far and that's fabulous I know your
process engages in more than that and we
don't have infinite time obviously so
what's the next part of the process of
helping people identify or get clear
about what they're going to be looking
for yes great question so our proven
trademark process is called the ends
degree actually has five total steps and
I'm we've only really touched on three
but we're you know likely not gonna get
in depth with all of them but the goal
here is to not only know but then also
to do the part that you're talking about
which is engage with the world and share
right what what your clarity is so the
first three steps are now nature and
nurture we've just covered now in some
decent depth but what nod does when it
ends in commitments is it almost creates
like an outline or a template for what
you're looking for like imagine where
we're making a painting like on a canvas
through painter know most people don't
realize this actually sketches out on
the canvas with like pencil or something
what they're gonna paint before they
paint so that's what your commitments
are they're the outline or the template
the things that add color and texture
are your nature and your nurture and
their opposite sides of the same coin
and they're everything that makes you
who you are so your nature is one side
your nurtures the other nature is
everything that comes naturally to you
it's the environments are drawn to the
people you easily engage with what
you're naturally curious about or even
your personnel
your behaviors right all those basic
things that make you you from natural
perspective and your there's everything
else it's everything that you I always
say it's everything you put in that God
left out so it's all of your learned
knowledge skills abilities expertise and
the cool thing is and I learned this
because after I quit my Wall Street job
which I quit without any plan or job
which I don't recommend because I mean I
got out of a really toxic environment
and I had a really life-affirming
experience because the next thing I did
was enrolled myself back in school kinda
and I went on a semester at sea which is
actually an undergraduate study abroad
program but I went at 25 as a post grad
and it's really where I learned a lot of
the parts of this process because it's
where I found myself
in a lot of ways that your nature is
just as important and easily leveraged
as your nurture but often when we have a
bad experience in our careers we just
want to throw the baby out with the
bathwater right like I hated finance
hated working on Wall Street I'm never
gonna do any of that stuff again well
the reality is as a business owner I
look at my financial statements all the
live long day all the time and if I
hadn't had two and a half years of
working on a trading floor and on a
credit desk I would have no idea what a
you know a P&L statement and a balance
sheet and a cash flow statement even
were so I was that much further up the
learning curve when I started my
business thanks to an experience that I
never want to have again so what we do
is really help people reify with who
they are your nature and also mine their
experience for their unique set of
expertise their nurture and if you
imagine taking those three things now
nature and return you put them in like a
mental Venn diagram middle is your niche
it's your career sweet spot and I always
like to say that you know for let's say
for Olympic athletes for instance
Michael Phelps it's super obvious now
why Michael Phelps was an Olympic gold
medal level athlete he had the now
nature and nurture there were on point
to create that outcome right well it's
just as simple
us to do it we just have to do it
backwards so we don't have the outcome
yet right but we have all the puzzle
pieces all you need to do is put them in
the framework and click out pops this
ideal career Olympic gold medal level
sweet spot it's that's the cool thing
about this Jeff is that it's so unique
to each person because no one person is
gonna have the exact same now nature and
nurture as anybody else but but you know
I play obviously the devil's advocate
what do you got but you know like I got
all these things and how do I find the
job or the career out of this
you know I know I like people and I
don't like to sell selling is not for me
and and there's always lots of excuses
the people will offer Robin lots of
roadblocks and how do you decode that
for folks no that's the secret source of
what you do well first and foremost I
think that here's here's the the tough
reality like the tough love mama bear
reality is that you have to want to have
work you love like to work with me to
work with Jeff to experience the the
results that our best clients experience
you have to want it like I can't want it
for them more I can't
it's like rehab it's it I can't want the
reality the result of them loving what
they do every single day more than they
want and and the the really tough part
is that the psychology behind all this
is that it's gonna it's not gonna feel
great through the process and it
requires you to to let go of your
previous self and let go of the comfort
that is not knowing it's really
comfortable and easy to say I don't know
it's really comfortable to live in I
would change I just don't know what I
want to do I would leave I just don't
know what I'm
and people are so afraid to make a
mistake even though the reality is
they're living in the life of having
made a mistake that's the mistake that
they know versus the next one has a
great it's it's kind of like and I'll
speak from I'll speak from the
experience that having been married more
than once my third wife and I have been
together for twenty years
however there were two previous ones and
I didn't have the expectations and as an
older adult you suddenly pause and you
start telling yourself some remarkable
stories about why this is crazy
and where you could break down the
barrier that you're placed in front of
yourself to change suddenly you have the
opportunity to experiment again and see
what happens
and 20 years later it was wonderful I
should say remains wonderful are still
wonderful and I know she feels the same
way about me and no matter the thing for
most people is overcoming the fear of
the risk of failure crucial I went a
hundred and a million percent resonate
with that fear and I feel it even to
this day five years into a business
that's been successful that has a
full-time employee that's not me that
you know like every day when I put out
something new you almost get numb to it
after a while when you do it or not but
the reality is that and this is the only
way that I've found to consistently get
past the fear of failure or the fear in
my case of being wrong
I call it the fear of being wrong I like
I hate making the wrong decision that
maybe is my Catholic guilt I will see
but the only way that I've consistently
been able to get past that fear is with
logic and with the logic that actually
psychologically there are only two
you can regret in life that's it two
types of regrets they call them in the
in the psychology that's like a Jewish
guy sins of omission and sins of
commission and all that means is you can
you can regret something you did
you're gonna regret something you didn't
do that's it but those nearly two types
of regrets really and the interesting
thing is that the psychology and the
research shows that well well you can
deeply regret something that you did
psychologically it has an outcome so
let's say you lied and somebody found
out about it and they confronted you and
you feel really bad and the outcome was
that that friendship was harmed for a
little while that's a simple one
psychologically speaking our brains love
outcomes they like a beginning a middle
and they like closed loops closed
circles and with a regret that you did
sin of comission you have that and so
you can get over it you can move past it
life goes on you might mend the
friendship over a while you forget about
it what have you right here's the scary
part sins of omission have no resolution
you thought you'd do something you
contemplated it for a while you didn't
do it and then what happens you're
asking yourself late at night when you
can't fall asleep what if I had maybe it
could have I should have would have
whatever insert anything said I love you
quit my job taking that risk moved into
a new city right like any time we don't
do something it creates an open loop and
while that sounds insidious it's
actually worse because psychologically
your brain for the rest of your life is
going to try to close that loop and
that's why we're haunted that's why the
number one regret of the dying is I wish
I had had the courage to live a life
that was true to me that is the number
one regret of people dying number one
the second one is I wish I hadn't worked
so much we can address that later but
the point being that once I realized
that psychologically I was better off do
doing something wrong and having a
result then I was not doing anything at
all it fundamentally changed my life I
started like going up to guys and bars
and just saying hi because what if that
was my husband you know and then I
started taking risks with my business
and putting something out before it was
ready and asking for beta tests because
inevitably there is probably something
wrong with it
and I started just making stronger
decisions and saying yes to things
because I knew that deep down it is more
risky and not take a risk than it is to
try and quote-unquote fail and every
time I tried and failed I've learned to
write we don't learn anything new
without having taken action and one of
my favorite influencers marie forleo she
says influence criticism insight comes
from action not thought and this is not
something you can think your way out of
it's something you have to test and try
and fail and fall down and and work hard
through if that's really the life that
you want I'm going to do a quick little
process that I've done with people many
times okay yeah and it's called what's
at risk yeah and the process asks no so
you're afraid of getting married I'm
gonna pick that one because you
mentioned I remember it was a husband
wife or partner that you were involved
with so I'll work with husband and we'll
make the hetero assumption what's it
risk for you to get married becomes the
question well it might not work out what
what's at risk if that happened you take
them down a decision tree I'd be alone
so you get to a core point yeah so right
now are you alone no well right so on
the one hand you're set up that you're
afraid of being alone and on the other
and thus just kind of look at the bond
that people create for themselves
yeah that basically puts them in the
position of damned if they do damned if
they don't unless you know asking them
the question how do you win under these
and then inviting them to consider the
possibility that there were alternatives
in there that they haven't considered
where they can definitely get the
outcome so really great so Tim Ferriss I
don't know if you follow him at all but
you know everybody does has an amazing
TED talk that he calls he calls his own
process fear setting yes right instead
of setting out like your goals you set
out what outcome am I really afraid of
if X finally happens and then he has
this whole process for actually
mitigating all of those potential risks
which is really fascinating so he was
contemplating you know going abroad for
like a year and and was worried that his
business would crumble while he was gone
and so he actually went through all
these deep dark scenarios like I'm gone
and this happens what do I do if I'm
gone and this happens what do I do
and he actually found all these really
easy ways to mitigate a lot of the
things that he was deeply fearful of
just by confronting them right and I
think that's that's a beautiful way to
do it and exactly what you're talking
about makes a lot of sense because our
you know don't live in in the present
reality they live in the future or they
live in in the past
psychologically right like nothing in
the present moment if you're not
actually being attacked by a
saber-toothed tiger or running away from
your mother-in-law or whatever right but
you're not actually in danger in the
moment all of our fear and our doubt and
our hesitation comes from contemplation
of the future and so you have to address
it I think in order to really understand
is it true and if it is true how can I
mitigate that risk in some way if that's
the outcome that I really want
absolutely true and Tracy I know we're
at a point where we could keep going on
asking questions and learning from
people I want to ask one question I view
what happened I asked you about so far
that we really should cover today
to give people the full experience of
the enth degree program okay this is a
good one so it wasn't until I was on
semester at seed that I first discovered
this process that a lot of companies
used to develop products and services
called design thinking you might be a
little familiar with design thinking if
you're not you should google it it's
pretty basic template of how to deeply
empathize with a problem rapidly
prototype and iterate potential suite or
define the actual problem rapidly
prototype and iterate solutions learn
from your from your prototype and
implement something and then sort of do
the whole process all over again and
what was fascinating is one of the first
projects that we did on the ship to
practice design thinking was solve a
life problem so I was like I don't know
what I want to do for my career and so I
ran it through design thinking and what
I realized is the nth degree process now
nature nurture the last two steps are
Network and navigate so you ask me right
like how do you go find that job well
you find it through people business
insider says 75 to 80% of jobs are
secured through networking so take that
home she want it for a minute and then
you find it through navigation and the
navigation process isn't linear it's
rapidly prototyping iterating learning
and going back and redefining the
problem and rapidly prototyping and
iterating and going back and read until
you find your solution and a lot of
people don't like to hear that but the
reality is the only thing that's
consistent in life is changed and and so
I wanted to build a process that's right
I wanted to build a process that that
leaned into that as opposed to fighting
it is the huge thing that I had a 25
year old guy on the phone at one of our
clarity calls the other day which is a
free call that I that I offer for people
who want to learn more about our
programs and see if we're a good fit to
work together and he was like I feel
like I missed my shot like I feel like a
failure I feel like I can't recover I
feel like and he had a job he wasn't
unemployed I feel like I'm 25 years old
and I should have had it figured out by
now and I'm toast like I'm high I failed
at career stuff
and I felt exactly like that when I was
25 and that's just sort of the reality
of being 25 in our world right now is
there's a lot of pressure to figure
things out really fast but the reality
is his life is gonna change over and
over and over and over he's gonna get
married maybe one day he's gonna have
kids maybe one day he's gonna have a
house one day it's gonna have elderly
parents who are aging and sick she's
gonna like there are all these things
throughout life that that evolve our
circumstances and thus will evolve our
value set and so there isn't just one
this is the thing that drives me crazy
there isn't just one purpose or passion
that you're supposed to find like we
don't have just one you're here for one
reason and you have to go figure out
what it is and there's a possibility
that you could die without having
figured it out the reality is at each
phase of your life you have a different
purpose and the nth degree process is
set up such that you can do it over and
over and over again when your life
changes because your life will change
and unless you own that and you engage
with it and you make decisions
accordingly then you're always gonna be
clinging to the past or fighting for
this idea of like when life was perfect
and ideal like for the longest time
after I graduated I wanted to go back to
I loved college but even if I did go
back I realized that now I was in a
different part of my life where that
just didn't resonate the same way
anymore and you're gonna find that about
jobs you're gonna find that about
relationships you're gonna find that
about what you feel your passion or your
purpose is because as you change it
changes and and I just wanna tell this
one last quick story I learned this from
my therapist of all people so I went
into her and I was like here they was
like Diana I figured out what my core
like message of my company is gonna be
and she's like oh what is it like and I
think this is genius right I'm like do
what you were created for like you know
we all have purpose we all have a
meaning like and and now we just define
like do what you were created for and I
know people are gonna love it
she was like I don't like it she was
like well what do you mean like what
you're created for cuz right now my
daughter is getting married and I feel
like I was created at this moment in my
life to be like the best mother of the
bride ever
I was like okay that's fair she was
wrong with that she's like well what's
wrong with that is that she's gonna get
married and I'm gonna no longer be the
mother of the bride so then I what does
I mean I don't have a purpose anymore
and as soon as she said that I realized
this is like massive epiphany came
through that that we don't have just one
purpose our job is to figure out what's
my purpose now write little lines and
that's what aligned with her values it's
what aligned with her nature it's what
aligned with her nurture in that moment
in life such that she could live her
purpose in that moment in that season
and then be open to changing it later on
so that's what I want to leave people
with those like the nth degree will
result in knowing what your niche is
right now but that doesn't mean you're
done doesn't mean I'm done my business
changes constantly and your career is
going to change constantly just as much
as your purpose in your passions are
it's so funny I'm so glad you told that
story because it prompted me to write
down be great and celebrate because most
people are embarrassed to share what's
in them are afraid for fear of being
shot down now for me personally the
notion of being in front with something
as meaning for me I know other people it
wouldn't certainly if you're an
introvert this may be a very hard
challenge or a mantra to repeat but for
me it resonated so thank you for the
story and tell me how can people find
out more about you the work that you do
the nth degree the the workshop that you
yada-yada-yada how got me so anytime you
want to find anything generic my name is
Tracy Tim the process is called the
ant's degree you can google either of
those ideas you'll find plenty of stuff
but what I wanted to set up for viewers
and listeners of this particular show is
a place where you can go and find all
these resources in one place so if you
just go to Tracy spell your name
my t IM slash no BS just an OBS
that's it and you'll find a link to
download our career clarity starter kit
you can find a link to jump on our next
webinar that's all about how to take
your career from stuck to unstoppable or
if this message is really resonating
with you and you're like this is the
right girl this is the right time this
is the right process then just go ahead
and register for a clarity call with me
and we'll hop on the phone for an hour
and we'll figure out if we're a good fit
to work together but either way all of
that information and then a lot of the
notes of what we talked about here today
we'll just live at Tracy Cheng comm / no
BS thank you
and folks we'll be back soon with more
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I'll be back soon with more and in the
meantime hope you have a great day
take care


Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter
Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a career and leadership coach who worked as a recruiter for more than 40 years. He is the host of “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” the #1 podcast in iTunes for job search with more than 1500 episodes and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice.” He is a member of The Forbes Coaches Council. “No BS JobSearch Advice Radio” was recently named a Top 10 podcast for job search. was also recently named a Top 10 YouTube channel for job search.

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