How to Find a Fulfilling Professional Life

By Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter

Many people experience ennui at best and hatred at worst for the choices they’ve made in their life, particularly in their career. My guest, Bill Priestley, and I speak about how to flip the switch and change to find greater satisfaction.

FEELING DEPRESSED About Your Search? Struggling? Feeling Fatigued?

Jeff   [00:00]

So, my guest today is Bill Priestley, the owner of the dream job factory, a coaching business geared around focusing dreams into careers using the dream job blueprint. Bill helps individuals from high school age to retirement, figure out that age old question, what do you want to do with your life? He’s spoken to high school and college students about identifying dream jobs and coaches, mid-career professionals interested in a career change and he’s also the author of the dream job blueprint e-book and online course spell. How the heck are you? Welcome.

Bill Priestley   [00:39]

Thanks for having me, Jeff.

Jeff   [00:40]

My pleasure, so, you and I both know, most people are clueless about finding a job, let alone figuring out how to find a fulfilling professional life, how would you suggest people start when they’re saying to themselves? I’ve got I’m not happy with what I’m doing; all the people with the law school and suddenly discovered that I didn’t want to be lawyers. Yeah, a whole bunch more. What am I sorry?

Bill Priestley   [01:13]

Well, I think it’s important to start with the fact that we’re not looking for one thing, preferences. You’ll hear a lot of people say things to the effect of, well, music is my passion, or sports is my passion or business is my passion and they look at that, in terms of one thing and I think that’s the true misconception of what it is, when you’re starting to look for something and you’re not looking for one thing out there. Because let’s say for instance, I was doing this with a with a football coach one time and I said, football isn’t your passion. Because I bet, I can find more than one thing about the football industry that you not only dislike, but perhaps completely hate, and would never ever want to do, for instance, field maintenance. I mean, it’s part of the football industry, but you got to do it, somebody’s got to do it. Marketing is absolutely part of the football industry.

But you don’t want to do that. I said, coach, is that what you want to do? Yes, I want to coach football. So, we have to get a little bit more streamlined in terms of our effect of what we want to do. So, we haven’t an interest there in football, we have an ability there in coaching and now we got to talk about who do you want to coach? Are we talking about high school? Or we’re talking about college. Are we talking about pro? Are we talking about big city, small town division one, Division three, all those things? So, when you start this incredible journey, about trying to figure out what you want to do with your life, you’re not looking for one thing? I think you’re looking for three.

Jeff   [02:59]

Three, like what’s yeah, three things are rare, should we stick with the football coach metaphor here? We use that example. So, in the case of the coach, what sort of three things should they be looking for?

Bill Priestley   [03:15]

Well, if that’ what if you identify a passion around those three things, you’re looking for an interest, something that you are really intellectually interested in something that stimulates you intellectually, something you can talk about for hours on end and not get bored and believe me, football coaches can talk about football for hours on end and not get bored. It’s just amazing how much they can actually talk about the game. But then past that, what is it that you want to do within that industry, and of course, there are many things that you can do within the football industry, you can coach you can play, you can market, you can be sports information, you can be an athletic trainer, you can be a referee, you can be an administration, all of those things are connected to the game in some way, shape, or form.

So, what is it that you want to do within the context of that industry? and like I said before, then you’re looking for Okay, what, who is the person that I really want to work for, and that is different, depending on what that job is. So, say for instance, if we’re talking about an athletic trainer, and athletic trainers working for the players, a football coach is working for the players. An administrator perhaps is maybe looking at more of the bottom line, maybe they’re looking at marketing, maybe they’re looking at ticket sales, maybe they’re looking at win loss percentage, or they’re looking at a bigger picture type of thing. That’s the entity that they’re necessarily working for, in that particular respect.

So, like I said, when you’re looking for that the three things, you’re looking for an interest, which in this case is football, you’re looking for ability in this case is coaching and you’re looking for an audience. In other words, the person the idea that you want to be working with and working for and say, for instance, even if you take that down to the player, you’ll notice that you can see this as well, if you follow football on a wider scale, the college game is geared around the team, in the professional game, offseason is geared around the individual, for instance, we’re always talking about the draft or trades or things like that. But the football player, at least at the collegiate level is thinking about their teammates, they want to help the team. The teams that go on and win the Super Bowls, you can see this with the Patriots and other dynasties that have happened. They’re in it for the team, the nucleus stays together, in baseball, the big red machine stayed together, and had all those great years with Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan, and all those guys. So, they’re playing for the team. You don’t want to be on a team where everyone’s playing for themselves. You don’t want to be on a team where someone says, like Keyshawn Johnson did many years ago. Give me the ball. That kind of and I made sure I bleeped it out. But that’s the duty that you want to be working for someone because that’s also the essence of the job, your job would not exist if you don’t do it for someone else, right? You are serving someone else’s.

Jeff   [06:28]

Interest, we have to find specificity and what was the third one more time.

Bill Priestley   [06:34]

You have to find you an interest, you have to have an ability to build something that you do within the context of that interest and then the audience who is it that you want to work with. Or who is it that you want to work for?

Jeff   [06:48]

Got it so, let’s use the example that I came up with earlier. I just graduated law school. So, my first year working for a law firm, oh, God, this is awful, and they’ve spent their entire life focused on fulfilling your parents� wishes being a lawyer and that’s the story for a lot of lawyers. So, they’ve been so focused, they don’t have a clue about what really interests them. So, they think, how do we help them get that clue what sort of work goes in at the front end, to identify the areas of interest?

Bill Priestley   [07:28]

Well, the areas of interest really, essentially bow themselves down to what is it that drives you intellectually, when you’re talking about an interest, you’re talking about something that, by definition, keeps your attention, if you are interested in it, and there are so many different things, and so many different ways that you can go about this as well. For instance, the obvious thing is something that you want to be interested in, like something that draws you to it, for instance, like football or sports or things that have those positive connotations on them, that you kind of want to be involved with, or things that draw you to them. In that at least those would be the case with me; you also have different ways of going about it. Whereas there are situations that you want to avoid.

For instance, you see a problem in the world that you would like to see go away, it’s a bad thing, but it’s got your interest because it keeps your attention. So, say for instance, if you’re looking at, I know this isn’t necessarily a dated reference. But if you want to get rid of AIDS in Africa, that’s a big interest. If you talk about that, if you have that always gets your attention when it comes up, you want to do something about racial inequality, or you want to do something about climate change, or you want to do something about, a host of any of any other issues that that get your attention. Then it gets your attention then you’re interested in the next question is what can you do to affect that situation positively? Another way kind of veering off that is answering the question, what are you scared of? Because what scares you?

Jeff   [09:10]

I love that one.

Recruiters Are Not Your Friends

Bill Priestley   [09:12]

Because what scares you gets your attention, guess what if there’s a snake in the room, and I’m petrified of snakes, but if there’s a snake in the room, guess what? It’s got my attention. Okay, that’s going to happen. Nothing else is going to matter at that particular point in time. So, my next issue is alright, how do I alleviate this situation? Same thing with whatever it is that that anyone might fear, if you’ve got kids, there’s a lot in the world to be scared of, that you can help sort of alleviate and that scares a lot of companies are in that business of trying to make the world safer. So, that’s what we’re talking about is finding something that gets your attention. That’s the first thing that we want to go about doing when we’re at a point where we think oh, gosh, there’s nothing out there for me.

Well, yeah there’s more than you think there is, when you take a look at the world, especially in the case where you’re talking about a lawyer, if we are talking about lawyers, you’re talking about a person that has been through a lot of school, a lot of training, they know probably a good bit about the world and you’ll notice that in the higher profile areas of administration, you’ll often find lawyers, certainly in politics, certainly in high levels of corporations, you will find people who have maybe not necessarily passing the bar type, lawyer, but you have people that have gone, they’ve gotten their MBA, they’ve done all that book work and they know a little bit more about the strategic pens of what they have to do to make a company or an organization better.

Jeff   [10:47]

When I work with people, I start off by helping them identify what it is about what they’re doing. Now, they don’t like, yeah, and quantify that. So, that this way, as they start to examine other things, they can use that as a benchmark to determine what they don’t want to be doing in the next role because most people find that pretty easy to dismiss or reject or turn down. They know the negatives release; the positive ones are harder. So, I tend to start them off with what don’t you like about being a lawyer? and from there, once they have that quantified, and we started working on the interests, the things that float the boat, get them a little interested? I sent them off on informational conversations with people who may be doing that kind of work.

Bill Priestley   [11:47]

That’s more towards the tail end of what I do. But yeah, definitely, once you figure out those three things, then obviously talk to someone who’s got the job and let’s see if that really does flip your bill.

Jeff   [11:57]

It’s fine. I’m so glad we’re having this conversation because I do that earlier than you do. I’m going to be curious to see what you do differently. So, I send them off an informational conversation so they can feel the reality of what it’s like to work in the profession. Because sometimes, the lawyer recreates being a lawyer by looking at being an accountant, for example, the same issues with repetitive work. Hellish schedules, or what have you get involved in next profession. So, before they go off for additional training, I want them to understand what it is really required and what the reality is.  Now, you speak in terms of ability being the next thing. So, I’m curious about that. Tell me how you help people identify their ability and what ability means to you in the context of this transition?

Bill Priestley   [12:53]

Right, so, the first thing is, obviously, in figure getting an interest, there’s a binary relationship there, either you like it, or you don’t like it, you can set a bar there has high as you want. So, in other words, if we go down, if we create a list of interests, then we can say, alright, on a scale of 1 to 10, pick out the ones that are an eight or higher, and that those are the ones that are going to cross the bar. Essentially, when it comes to abilities, there are three different benchmarks that you have to pass in order to make this actually work. Number one, you’ve got to be able to do it. Obviously, if you want to do it as a career, you’ve got to be able to do it in the very plain a sense of the word. The benchmark that I would use is can you do it well enough to get paid for it?

In other words, you can ask me, Bill, do you play the piano? Yeah, I play the piano, I have an ability to play the piano, but nobody’s going to pay me to play the piano. So, you’ve got that there? First off, but there are others obviously out there that if you ask them the same question, they may be, classically trained, and they can be paid for that that as well. So, that’s the first benchmark. The second benchmark is do you want to do it. Say, for instance, we talked about football coaching or other aspects of the football industry, field maintenance is something that football coaches don’t want to do? Just they just don’t want to do it.

So, the question there is, again, another binary situation you have, do I want to do it? Do I not want to do it and if you want to do it, then we continue to? Can you do it for someone else? and 99 times out of 100? The answer to that question is yes. Unless you’re talking about for instance, television being your interest, and watching it being your ability that’s doesn’t feed anybody else necessarily. So, we’re talking about doing it for someone else, to the point and doing it well enough to be paid. So, those are least the three criteria of where we need to start now? How do we figure that out as far as the individual is concerned? Now we have to get into the hardest part what I think the hardest part is of the entire process, which is basically self-discovery, in terms of figuring out because one of the one of the really interesting things about life that I think is intriguing is that we tend to think of ability as something that is difficult. Like, if I say you have an ability to do this, that means whatever it is that I think you can do, I think is difficult. It’s difficult for me, however, you may think that it’s easy, because you can do it you got if you have a problem where you have A plus B equals and someone walks up to it and goes, well, the answer is C and they move on, someone else approaches and goes, A plus B is a banana and that’s not right and they’re just guessing and who knows what’s going on and they say, well, that person got it.

So, they must have an ability to do this, therefore, this must be hard, and the other person thinks, well, no, that’s, that’s easy. Everybody should be able to do that. So, it’s much tougher in that respect to try and figure out what we’re good at. Because chances are, we usually think what we’re good at is second knowledge, which is just common experience. You look at a problem, you go, oh, well switch this to this, and this to this, and you’re done. You know, and that’s it and we don’t think twice about it. Whereas someone else may think that’s really difficult than you think, oh, I can never do that. So, now we have to figure out, we have to look at what comes to you easily.

Jeff   [16:39]

That’s the first thing all those things are acquired skills and my favorite example, this one I use is toilet training. Kelly young child struggles with the concept of toilet training, and are using the toilet and the parents are all worried oh, is the kid ever going to learn how to use the bathroom? I don’t know that he but no one. Well, I’m in an age where people start to worry about its older individuals, and their ability to use the toilet. But that’s a different conversation. But sure, there’s a point where it becomes second nature, and practice and the fear are overcome and suddenly the kids can do it and the parents go Hosanna I don’t have to diapers with me all the time.

Yay! and for a lot of you folks, there are things we’re going to need to learn along the way that are going to help you may have an affinity for, but you just don’t know how yet. That always makes it because a lot of coaches I’ve spoken to over the years for the show, often will talk about okay, this is your passion go off and do it and I will turn around and say, okay, I’ve got a mortgage. That’s a variable in there in what someone can afford to do and thus confronting the mortgage, the financials, the responsibility you have to a wife, husband, a partner, the kids, the dog, whomever, whatever. I’m sorry, cats too.

I don’t want to ignore the cat lovers. I had lots of cats in the past. But the idea becomes taking that into account and whether you can do it now, how you can do it now. So, that you don’t outstrip your expectations is one of the things I work with. So, that we’re talking about a process, but I always bring in the reality to it is, here’s your wife or husband on board. If you have to go to school, is that something that you can do, given that you’ve got the wife, husband, partner, kids, and to have to do some study to what’s reasonable. So, with ability is always the idea of learning, practicality, and stuff along those lines. So, what once we’re looking at ability, I heard you talking about some of the natural stuff that people who have expertise and experiences and some of the stuff that people don’t have yet, and it’s acquired. When you’re working with people, how do you encourage them to just go off and do it? How do you help them overcome or have enough time for this? I’ve got a job and all the other limits that people have.

Designing Career Experiments

Bill Priestley   [19:43]

The biggest motivational thing that I’ve ever use this myself because unfortunately I’ve had to face mortality twice in my life is all right. Imagine let’s say you were talking to someone who’s 45 years old. Imagine your life in 30 years or 35 years. If you look back, would you regret if you didn’t have this opportunity? Would you, do it? I mean, would you do it, if you knew that you would regret it 35 years from now and that usually is enough motivation, where it’s like, if I really wanted it, I would do it. There’s, a process a little bit later on in what I do that we look at, because generally speaking, the end result out of this is going to be a list of dream jobs it’s going to have, it could be anywhere from 5 to 30, generally would try to get it between 10 and 15. But they’re usually broken down, I break them down into three different sub-categories. The first is dream jobs that you want to do once, in other words, things that would give you the greatest amount of satisfaction if you just did it once. You’d be okay. Those are eventually the things that they just call it on your bucket list does, I just want to do this once. Now, that’s its people will say, well, no, I really like to be a baker.

Well, once you figure out how hard baking is on a day-to-day basis, once you’ve done it, that’s going to pretty much fill your cup, that’s going to be it. So, that’s on your bucket list, maybe and it’s something that maybe you just want to do in your own home, or something that you can do, however, you get the opportunity to do it, maybe through it not for profit, maybe through a volunteer, that kind of thing. So, then the second category would be something that you want to do between 5 and 200 times of the course of the rest of your life and I would call those hobbies, because you’re not completely committed to those things, that you would that you think you want to do. But it’s something like, oh, I really love what’s a good example, I really love playing golf.

Well, go play golf, if you can play golf, and make money at it, even if you’re just Joe Schmo off the street, or whatever, you can still make a little money every two or three weeks, if you just want to go out and do that, if you want to, work with work with kids will be a teacher be no, it’s not something that you want to do all the time because you don’t want to do the grading and the discipline and all of that stuff. But that’s something that fills your cup, you get to go in, you get to influence kids for a while, and then you get to step back and know, for those that understand the illusion, be like a grandparent, step in for a little bit, then step back, that kind of thing. But then they’re the jobs that you want to do every day, that just are going to bring you back every single day and what I’ve learned is that most of the time, those jobs seem to take on what I would call the effect of a cathedral architect.

In other words, Cathedral architects are some of the most interesting and just dedicated people on the earth, because when they design the cathedral, they won’t see the final product, it’ll take 100 years to build, it’s not going to improve, for instance, the Cathedral of Barcelona, is just now getting finished after being started 100 years ago, Washington Cathedral up in DC, I think took 85 years to build. The architects are long gone from the original drawings of that building. So, when you take on a cause that is much bigger than yourself that perhaps you are not going to solve within your lifetime.

That is at least something that you can say if someone wants to try and cure cancer, that’s a huge goal. That is a big, huge goal. But it is something that very well may not be solved within our lifetime, it could be. But if you commit to that kind of goal, and you want to do it and you want to see it done basic, maybe because you knew someone who had cancer that you wanted to perhaps save any bit of data, any bit of information, any bit of knowledge that you can help procure along the way will be a way to continue the fight to end cancer in the world.

That’s a very noble cause there as well. So, when you have a cause that’s bigger than yourself, that’s usually a very easy way to identify something, that you’re willing to do for the rest of your life. Now, when it comes to say, I won’t say smaller dreams, but if you want to do something on smaller scales, that gives you the opportunity to do something, maybe complete it and then now what happens when the dream is realized? Now, we got to start over. Now, we got to do it again and so then we go back to step one and go okay, what are you interested in? What do you want to do? What do you want to work for? That kind of thing but as far as motivation, mortality is a powerful thing and so I would often say, if it really meant today, if you could only do it today, would you do it? Or if you would regret it, if you didn’t do it today, 30 years from now, when you don’t have the ability to do it, that’s usually going to be the good flip of the coin as to whether or not, I’m really interested in this or not, I don’t think I have the commitment to do it.

Jeff   [25:22]

Remember, a friend of mine many years ago, was a mathematician, his father and uncle were popular composers, in the 1920s, a lot of very well-known hits and when his uncle who was the survivor of the songwriting duo finally died, I remember sitting with my friend, as he said, I don’t want to die with music inside of me and that was the awareness that he had, he was doing good work. But there was something more important than he wanted to get out of himself and whether that’s in the form of family, which is a perfectly valid place to, in my mind, to put your energies into to ensure your legacy is passed on, or something in the more public sphere, the idea is taking steps to actualize the things where the dreams are finding mastery.

Finding The Career That Fits You

Bill Priestley   [26:22]

When we’re talking about things in terms of the idea of giving a chance to something that to go back to the original illusion, if you talk about something stimulate you intellectually. That’s an intellectual push. If you’ve read Daniel Pink’s book drive, there are three types of motivation he talks about and the last of those three is intrinsic motivation, things that we would do for no reason other than to benefit someone else, or to benefit ourselves and so when you’re talking about something that’s intellectually stimulating, it means you’re taking the information in because you want to and one of the reasons that we do that is because we want to be autonomy of the situation, we want to be able to think about the situation in the terms in which we want to do it, that’s one of the reasons that kids have a lot of struggle in school is because they want to think about things the way they want to think about them and the teacher will say, well, you really need to think about it this way.

So, you can understand the next concept, and so on, and so forth. So, when you get to abilities, the great draws mastery for instance, if you got a puzzle in front of you, if you solve the puzzle, you’re not going to get paid for it. You’re not going to there’s not something that’s coming back to you, you want to be able to master the puzzle and then the third thing that we do, is we do things for purpose. For instance, if there’s a wreck on the side of the road, do you stop? Do you get out? Do you see if everybody’s okay? do you call 911? Again, those are things that have no benefit to you. Personally, necessarily, but they have benefit in terms of you using yourself for the greater good so, those three things autonomy, mastery, and purpose. If you can put those three things together, again, something that stimulate you intellectually, something that rewards you physically and something that fulfils you emotionally and spiritually. That is a job. That is a thing that I find people find incredible difficulty turning away from if they get into themselves involved in such it’s such a situation.

Jeff   [28:32]

Choice how you deal with people’s fear because fear about actually taking action? Because we all know there’s a risk of making a change. How do you work with people to overcome their fears?

Bill Priestley   [28:52]

The first step is, looking at it as if you’ve got no other chance to do this, would you do it and again, we’re talking about mortality a little bit. But that’s moving that direction? If that doesn’t motivate them to that point, I feel like you’ve got to find the other reason why you’re doing this, what is the reason that you want to do it and does that reason have any sort of gravitas or pull within your life because if it doesn’t, you’re not going to move? If it’s not going to create for you a situation that you want to be in because people, people will move in situations from a modality of scarcity to a modality of opportunity. So, say for instance, that the example I like to give is person getting married. So, if a person gets married, they are viewing their life as not an opportunity. We’ll say, let me let me back up. Other people would view that person as they’re moving from an area of opportunity. In other words, the ability to date many other people, to an opportunity of scarcity, which is while you’re only going to date one person for the rest of your life, how boring could that possibly be? Or as you’re looking at it from an opportunity of scarcity, in other words, I don’t want to do that to an area of opportunity.

Whereas I get to spend one deep relationship with one person that I really admire for the rest of my life. So, the question is, what’s going to get me to move in recognize that, that what I’m in is an area of scarcity, to an area of opportunity. It’s kind of like, why we do that you get into the psychology, all of this in terms of say, for instance, why we go and buy that car, why we want to buy that house? Well, we were viewing that as we thought our car isn’t good enough our cars are not what we want there for moving to an opportunity, therefore, to get the better car, get the better house or do that and that’s an easy decision to make, because we’re moving to an area that we want to go to. When you look at a job, yeah, you’re changing environments. But let’s realize if this is where you want to go, let’s find the opportunity and if the opportunity, therefore isn’t great enough for you to think of it as an area of opportunity, then you’re not going to move on, then you’re not going to do it. Let�s move on to something else. Because ultimately, you’re going to be the decider in whether or not you’re going to jump through the hoop and if you don’t want to jump through the hoop, I can’t make you agree.

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Jeff   [31:30]

Folks, I’ll just simply say, there’s a price that we pay for every decision that we make.

Bill Priestley   [31:36]

Absolutely, if you can find yourself in a moment of scarcity, but moving to a moment of opportunity, good on you, if everyone else doesn’t see that’s bad on them. I mean, you have to listen to yourself and that serves in certain situations, especially, if you’re moving into situations, that’s better for you, that’s better for your family, that’s better for all of those things that you talked about, then, then that’s good on you. But if you’re doing it, because maybe someone else told you to, or you’re doing it, because this is quote unquote [Inaudible [32:12], the right thing to do and then I get worried. So, I want people to go in a direction where they feel comfortable and if they don’t feel they don’t like I don’t say cover as I want them to be, I want them to be in a situation where they feel challenged to move ahead. If they want to move ahead if they’re intrinsically motivated to move ahead, that’s where I want them to go. If they don’t feel that, then let’s not go there. Let’s drop it as quick as we can.

Jeff   [32:40]

What happened I asked you about so far, that we should cover into Asia?

Bill Priestley   [32:46]

That’s a good question, if anything for that, well, there’s, in terms of what I do, there’s that way that I talked about, we figure out an interest in ability and audience and trying to put that together. The other way to do it is to do it backwards. In other words, look at the world and try and find the person that you want to help and then apply yourself and say, alright, what can I do? What do I know my interest? What can I do my ability that can affect that person? I had this the way that I came about that particular thing was I had a kid. I was doing a youth conference one time, and a young man walked up to me and he said, we were talking about people that you wanted to work with or work for and some kids were joking and one of the kids about a 16-year-old boy just had his leg propped up against the button, while he was leaning back. He said, I want to work for girls and that became a bit of a running joke and someone else walked up to me and after whatever the after the group dispersed and he tapped me on the shoulder and said, I would have said, I wanted to work for my mom and I said, well, what do you want to work for your mom and he said, because and I couldn’t tell necessarily if this had just happened, or if this was an ongoing thing where he had just gotten some bad news.

 But his mother was sick, and he just wanted to help her. He wanted to figure out a way to help her. So, we thought, well, let’s figure this out what is it that you want? What How do you want to help them and how can we help them? and so through the course of about a five-minute conversation, I learned that his father was in the financial arena, and that he kind of liked what his dad did. So, we talked, and he said, why don’t you become a fundraiser for an organization that could help your mom? And his eyes lit up and his jaw dropped. I don’t know how that story ends. But it begins with him running out of the building to try and find his dad so we can try and help us mom. So, that’s another way that you can start with an audience start with a person because it’s not only helping his mother, he’s with every woman in that situation, if that’s specific enough, he’s helping every person in that situation by utilizing his own strengths, his own interest, his own ability to try and read her whatever that disease was. That was affecting her. So, you can go back and forwards you can go backwards, and it still works.

Jeff   [35:21]

Bill, this has been beautiful. How can people find out more about you in the work that you do?

Bill Priestley   [35:26]

Well, you can check us out on the web at thedreamjobfactory.com a better way to do it, though, is to go through Facebook, we’ve got a closed Facebook group, all you got to do is fill out the questions. If you go there to the Dream job blueprint, just search for the Dream job blueprint on Facebook and you can join that group there and then of course, we’re also on Twitter at Dream job factory, and on Instagram, as well as the Dream job factory there as well. You can also email me through the site, if you’d like to, or we also handle coaching opportunities, and you can also check out the online course and the e-book which is available there too.

Jeff   [35:58]

Beautiful and folks, we’ll be back soon with more. I’m Jeff Altman, the big game hunter. I hope you enjoy today’s show. If you did, and you’re watching on YouTube, click the like button, subscribe to the channel, do something to communicate that this is worthwhile for you leave a comment and I’ll just simply say, if you’re interested in working with me, I’ve got a ton of great information at my site, which is thebiggamerhunter.us. Go there. Go to the blog. Go exploring. There’ll be a lot there to help you and I’ll just say if this isn’t the right time for you to do that, put the address in your phone. Again, that’s thebiggamehunter.us use my name Jeff. So, that way you can find me find the site at a time in the future where you might be interested. For one-on-one coaching at the site you can schedule time for a free discovery call or schedule time to go right into coaching. I’d love to help you and connect with me on linkedin.com/in/thebiggamehunter. Hope you have a terrific day and most importantly, be great. Take care.

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