A job hunter who is learning that references matter asks what s/he can do When his manager is getting a bad reference.
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people are paying for their past mistakes..they follow them everywhere they
go..even if they take the company name off of their resume….let’s say
someone was being teased, for whatever the reason from their previous job.
when potential employers get hold of that history…it somehow finds its
way to current employees phones and than that person is humiliated…people
look at the person with that look of judgement, based on what theyve
learned from that persons past and then stigmatize them.
it is a rapidly sad and growing trend in the work force. The person may
even feel uncomfortable and embarrassed. or corolate those experiences with
their past coming back to haunt haunt them, but because it is done in such
a cruel and deceptive way, they can’t prove it. And if you cant prove it
nothing is hapoening. Its all in your mind (i.e. you crazy!).
There is nothing the person can do about it, but suffer in silence..In some
cases, they leave one job to find another and the same thing just keep
happening over again. No one bails them out. people just watch, judge and
tease. And you can see there are many who actually are enjoying what what’s
happening to the poor Individual.
People are very cruel these days. professionalism is an illusion to a major
degree. People love gossip these days. Or anything negative for good
entertainment. I’ve heard stories and know people who have gone through
things you wouldn’t imagine.
Had their reputations utterly destroyed to the point no matter where they
would look for work, if they got an opportunity, they would get hired and
re-live their past mistakes as if they never left their old job. The way
people deal with each other today, is so F#cked up, it cannot even be put
into words.
And all of these situations occur after background checks..mobile phones
are like the new form of weapons. load up the face book,twitter,linked
in,or various other social media clips and assassinate someone’s character
without remorse or concern..
it’s unfortunate that it often happens to good people or good looking
people with potential. And These things usually happens after a background
check. It’s an unfair world some may even say it’s life. But one thing is
for sure..People are very,very cruel..now more than ever..
+Eric Mills I would suggest that if a former employee is harassed post-employment, they or a friend who is or presents themselves as an attorney contact the president of the former firm and state that if the bullying isn’t stopped the firm will be sued. That when it comes times for references to be given, the attorney tells them that the former manager or the President themselves gives the glowing reference as part of the gentlemen’s agreement. The harassment will stop when the names of the harassers are turned over, No demand that they be fired unless they misbehave again.
Jeff Altman
These people are like deers in headlights, they don’t know their rights. And what they are experiencing is so far out of control, it leaves them helpless. people share information on their phones and that opens another can of worms..the person left the job from being bullied but doesn’t have a clue whose doing the bullying. it’s not a direct in your face attack, it’s cleverly done In directly.
people are paying for their past mistakes..they follow them everywhere they go..even if they take the company name off of their resume….let’s say someone was being teased, for whatever the reason from their previous job. when potential employers get hold of that history…it somehow finds its way to current employees phones and than that person is humiliated…people look at the person with that look of judgement, based on what theyve learned from that persons past and then stigmatize them.
it is a rapidly sad and growing trend in the work force. The person may even feel uncomfortable and embarrassed. or corolate those experiences with their past coming back to haunt haunt them, but because it is done in such a cruel and deceptive way, they can’t prove it. And if you cant prove it nothing is hapoening. Its all in your mind (i.e. you crazy!).
There is nothing the person can do about it, but suffer in silence..In some cases, they leave one job to find another and the same thing just keep happening over again. No one bails them out. people just watch, judge and tease. And you can see there are many who actually are enjoying what what’s happening to the poor Individual.
People are very cruel these days. professionalism is an illusion to a major degree. People love gossip these days. Or anything negative for good entertainment. I’ve heard stories and know people who have gone through things you wouldn’t imagine.
Had their reputations utterly destroyed to the point no matter where they would look for work, if they got an opportunity, they would get hired and re-live their past mistakes as if they never left their old job. The way people deal with each other today, is so F#cked up, it cannot even be put into words.
And all of these situations occur after background checks..mobile phones are like the new form of weapons. load up the face book,twitter,linked in,or various other social media clips and assassinate someone’s character without remorse or concern..
it’s unfortunate that it often happens to good people or good looking people with potential. And These things usually happens after a background check. It’s an unfair world some may even say it’s life. But one thing is for sure..People are very,very cruel..now more than ever..
people are paying for their past mistakes..they follow them everywhere they go..even if they take the company name off of their resume….let’s say someone was being teased, for whatever the reason from their previous job. when potential employers get hold of that history…it somehow finds its way to current employees phones and than that person is humiliated…people look at the person with that look of judgement, based on what theyve learned from that persons past and then stigmatize them.
it is a rapidly sad and growing trend in the work force. The person may even feel uncomfortable and embarrassed. or corolate those experiences with their past coming back to haunt haunt them, but because it is done in such a cruel and deceptive way, they can’t prove it. And if you cant prove it nothing is hapoening. Its all in your mind (i.e. you crazy!).
There is nothing the person can do about it, but suffer in silence..In some cases, they leave one job to find another and the same thing just keep happening over again. No one bails them out. people just watch, judge and tease. And you can see there are many who actually are enjoying what what’s happening to the poor Individual.
People are very cruel these days. professionalism is an illusion to a major degree. People love gossip these days. Or anything negative for good entertainment. I’ve heard stories and know people who have gone through things you wouldn’t imagine.
Had their reputations utterly destroyed to the point no matter where they would look for work, if they got an opportunity, they would get hired and re-live their past mistakes as if they never left their old job. The way people deal with each other today, is so F#cked up, it cannot even be put into words.
And all of these situations occur after background checks..mobile phones are like the new form of weapons. load up the face book,twitter,linked in,or various other social media clips and assassinate someone’s character without remorse or concern..
it’s unfortunate that it often happens to good people or good looking people with potential. And These things usually happens after a background check. It’s an unfair world some may even say it’s life. But one thing is for sure..People are very,very cruel..now more than ever..
+Eric Mills I would suggest that if a former employee is harassed post-employment, they or a friend who is or presents themselves as an attorney contact the president of the former firm and state that if the bullying isn’t stopped the firm will be sued. That when it comes times for references to be given, the attorney tells them that the former manager or the President themselves gives the glowing reference as part of the gentlemen’s agreement. The harassment will stop when the names of the harassers are turned over, No demand that they be fired unless they misbehave again.
Jeff Altman
These people are like deers in headlights, they don’t know their rights. And what they are experiencing is so far out of control, it leaves them helpless. people share information on their phones and that opens another can of worms..the person left the job from being bullied but doesn’t have a clue whose doing the bullying. it’s not a direct in your face attack, it’s cleverly done In directly.
Eric Mills A ceise and desist letter from an attorney can straighten out any bad reference.
Jeff, or Eric, how would an employee KNOW they are being harassed post employment or being given a bad reference??
I think you’re exactly right Eric Mills. No, I know you are.
I’ve got equalizers for bad references and those are Allison and Taylor third party reference checking firm, and another for all companies who bad mouth me ceise and desist letters prepared by my attorney. Works every time 🙂.
Hey bud, you seem to know you’re stuff. If you read this would you mind if I ask you a question?
This is Bonnie for Jeff. Please send a connection request to him on his LinkedIn profile, rather than here. then message him.
Jeff Altman I don’t have a LinkedIn, is there anything other way of contacting, I have a question I’d like him to help me with, if possible. Thanks for getting back to me tho
Bonnie, again. Jeff made the decision that because of too many fraudulent contacts here, he would no longer respond to inquiries On YouTube
You can use a job reference checking company like http://www.jobreferencechecker.com in order to check your references and see what your ex employers are saying about you.
The issue is workplace bullying.
But how would you ever know that they gave or are giving a bad reference? The perspective employer won’t tell you. How would someone know what’s going on?
Thats easy. When they go from strong enthusiasm to well, uh, and what starts to come out of their mouth starts to smell like BS, bad reference.
Uou can request the reference they sent. They dont have to send it to you, but they should if you request it. Im in UK we can request it undet GDPR. I asked HR where i applied for the job. They sent it to me. If someone gives you a bad reference you would want to see it. If you dont know you have done anything wrong, how can you correct it? Or maybe they dont want you to work over there. My manager didnt even put his name, he put the higher managers name on it, the higher managet said it wasnt him. So that tells you its a bit strange.
Wait, who is supposed to say “it’s not company policy to give references out, we can confirm dates of employment”…I’m sorry, I was a little confused by that. Thanks
Everyone associated with the former employer is supposed to say that. If someone is the job hunter says it, it can be a red flag for the hiring firm that you don’t want them to check a reference. If said casually like, “I have heard from others that it is company policy to not give references. Don’t know if it’s true or not. ” That will be accepted. HOWEVER, you caan find former colleagues whocan provide a great reference.
My former manager has facial herpes and was very upset about it and she is taking it out on many workers and former employees disrupting our lives.
What do you do if your manager lied on the reference, which cost you your job, pending on satisfactory references, my job offer was withdrawn due to unsatisfactory reference, i requested a copy of the reference, it said would you re eploy this person he checked no, and lied because its not me at all. The person who is named as the refree is not the person who typed this reference if you get me, my manager put the higher managers name on it. When i say its not me, what he wrote is not how i am as an employee, when i call in sick i give plenty of notice, but he wrote i call in an hour before or after, or I fail to show up. If this is so, why has he never mentioned this to me or asked where I was or why I didnt come in? He just made it up so i couldnt get the job. The higher manager knows about the reference but hasnt done anything about it. I asked him to re do the reference but no response, as of yet. I might have to go to HR abiur this
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The person is not an ally because they were a bad boss. No fault of mine that she was a narcissist.
SHUT UP, THIS WAS USELESS
Bad references cannot always be helped when you have a horrible manager.
Yep and you can find someone!
Just lost a solid job offer due to the bad reference.
I was working in American IT company with operations based in Russia (was doing tech support) and here in Russia managers are really savages. They fired me like a dog on one day notice, yes I was not performing quite well because of quarantine and night shifts, so I was fine with being fired.
Two month later I was looking for another job, in solid American IT company, passed all the interviews and test tasks and in the last moment when I was about to receive an offer they got a reference from this guys which was just destroying me
Shit, I am just 22 now and was 21 at the time I worked there, It was my first job, I do not not what to do now… this guys are just destroying my life….
Fuck
Same boat as you. Was offered a job and was asked for a reference from a job of 9 years. The manager was an asshole and always gave bad reviews. The GM liked me and told me I could use his reference. Found out this GM lied to me. My new job told me they did not give good reviews about me. I told his new employer. They why was I there 9 years as a bad employee? I offered to give two coworkers emails but was told we are passing on your job. Dammit.
My current employer gives out bad references in order to KEEP good employees. It ensures they will be stuck at the job..no interviews. Shouldn’t there be laws against this?
Keep your performance reviews. When you leave, you give notice, look at your boss and, with HR present, say, “I have a copy of my performance reviews. There are rumors that you have a bad habit of giving bad references. When I asked my lawyer about this, he suggested I personally warn you that if you do something like that with me, I will own your house because you went out of your way to damage me.” Look him/her square in the eye. Then pivot to HR and say, I can direct people to you and have you read off my performance reviews unless you trust him/her.” Pivot back to your manager. “I don’t want to do this but everyone knows what you said about . . . .Don’t try it with me.”
Good video! What if you’re trying to transition to another department within the company & you’re current supervisor is giving a bad reference?
If it is deserved, make amends with s/he and find a way forward. Have HR mediate. Be contrite. If it isn’t deserved, you can ask your manager why they are giving bad references internally. “If you are so unhappy with my work, why not give me a good reference so I become someone else’s problem?”
@Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter We’re on the same page Jeff! I actually did that & the response was as if no bad reference was given. So moving forward I will not be using them as a reference 😉
@JobSearchTV We’re on the same page Jeff! I actually did that & the response was as if no bad reference was given. So moving forward I will not be using them as a reference 😉