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Are Thank You Notes Still a Thing? | JobSearchTV.com

June 7, 2019June 7, 2019 by Jeff

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Are follow-up thank you note still a thing?

Someone messaged me with a question and the question very simply was, "Are thank you notes still a thing or can I bag it? In other words, do I really have to do this?
No, you don't really have to do it. The reality is, you don't have to send a thank you. But why would you miss an opportunity to sell someone on your being qualified and interested? Seriously? Why would you give up an opportunity to present your suitability for a role when you have one as well timed as a thank you note?
Now, if you wait a week and a half to send it, that's stupid. If you do it the same day or the next morning after the interview, perfect!
The format of the of the thank you note can be as simple as
"Thank you for making time to meet with me today/yesterday. I enjoyed meeting with everyone and I just wanted to summarize what I heard and how my background fits.
"You told me you were looking for someone with such and such experience. I have six years of background with that, including such and such. You mentioned that you wanted someone with this kind of experience. I've done this for the last seven years where I've done this and that, this and that."
You go through a quick list of things that they told you about-- the role and how your background fits.
"I hope to hear from you about next steps and if I don't hear from you (and hopefully you asked them when you might hear from them about next steps. If you didn't). If I haven't heard from you by early next week, I'll follow up to see when you might be moving forward with next steps."
The idea becomes use it as an opportunity to resell your qualifications and to indicate that you're interested and plan on following up if you haven't heard from them.

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How Often Should I Follow Up After The Interview? | JobSearchTV.com

May 22, 2019May 22, 2019 by Jeff

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Someone asked me a great question to address.

Summary

In the course of working with someone, they asked me the question, "How many times should you follow up with a the HR person before "leaving them alone?" Seems I may get the initial response emailed, then I hear nothing for a week, I hit all the check marks on qualifications, I send the request for an update, nothing. I do it again a week later, nothing, maybe even a third week. And then I get a rejection letter.
Or "I have that initial interview and immediately send a thank you note. I didn't follow up a week later, then maybe two more weeks then I wait another week. As soon as I send the email, I get the rejection notice that I pester them should I have simply sat silently? How often is too much?"
Let me start off with the premise of you may think words are the way a corporation communicates. I view it as behavior is how a company communicates. Their behavior of not communicating, is telling you we're not prepared to indicate our decision about next steps, whether the scheduling for an interview, whether to bring you back for a second interview. That's what their behavior is saying.
That you were calling multiple times doesn't make them move any faster. I'm telling you, it doesn't make a difference, that sometimes they forget, they become distracted. So, we have to work with that as a possibility.
So, what I encourage people to do is, you've sent out a thank you letter. Maybe you've gotten the timeline as to when they are going to communicate about next steps during your interview. But let's assume not.
If you've gotten that indicator, you follow up a day or two later and say, "Hey, you mentioned when I interviewed with you, you' d have a decision by such and such date. It is a couple of days later, I haven't heard anything and just was curious about next steps in the process."
Or, in this case, you know, he's done an interview or emailed a resume and no response. You know, he sends an email-- radio silence. Oooh. The submarine has gone underwater; they are radio silent. What are they saying? Like I said, they're not prepared to communicate a decision.
Now, I will also tell you that if they were really excited about you, they would be jumping for joy, contacting you quickly and working to schedule the next step. So don't look at the words. Look at the behavior. The behavior is telling you that they're not prepared to indicate decision. You call them once, and then the following week, twice, and after that, give it up.
All you're doing is frustrating yourself. You're getting distracted. It's keeping you from doing more self-promotion and marketing, which is really what you should be doing until the time you get the job offer and you complete the negotiation.
I want to be clearer. You know, it's you get the offer, and you complete the negotiation. If the role, if the offer is low, and the negotiation is completed, and you haven't gotten the right money, you don't want to be betting the farm on that one deal, right.
So, I'll just simply say, two times, max. That's all you do. I did it with corporate clients when I was still doing recruiting. Two times was it. I understood that their behavior was designed to tell me they're too busy, they don't have word back. After all, this is HR, waiting for someone else to communicate with them. They are interviewing other people. When they have a decision. They would like me to

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The Recruiter Said “Hold Tight.” When Should I Call? | JobSearchTV.com

May 8, 2019May 8, 2019 by Jeff

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Someone asked,” I had an interview last tuesday and a positive feedback text from recruiter on Friday saying “ company x said to “hold tight” the team is still discussing but they really liked you.” Today is Monday and I’m getting anxious. What does it mean? How long should i wait before i call and should i call the recruiter or the hr directly.

Summary

Here's a great scenario. Listen up. This is a cool one. "I had an interview last Tuesday and a positive feedback text from the recruiter on Friday, saying the company said "hold tight." The team is still discussing, but they really liked you. Today is Monday. So now it's since Tuesday till the following Monday, and I'm getting anxious. What does it mean? How long should I wait before I call and should I call the recruiter or HR directly?"
Oh, the horrors! Horrors! This is awful.
I first want to get clear about one definition. This person separates out the recruiter or HR. So I'm assuming that this is a third party recruiter and not a corporate recruiter. Thus, when they're saying HR, that's the corporate recruiter. So let me kind of walk through this situation.
Maybe what you're being told is true. But if you really want to get the truth, you call HR and say to them, "Hey, you know, I interviewed last week, so and so (the first name of the recruiter) said, 'Hold tight. They really liked me.' Could you give me an update on what's going on?" And they'll do that.
Or they may say, "Yeah, that's right. That's exactly where we are."
"Could you give me a timeline for when they might make a decision? How do I rank by comparison with others for the role? If I'm number five on a list of seven, the likelihood is, you're probably not going to hire me, are you?"
So, you want to have the conversation with HR because, frankly, the recruiter is an individual who has a vested interest in having you hold tight. They don't want you to take another job.
Now, I would encourage you to keep interviewing. And I would also encourage you to listen carefully to what HR says, and doesn't say. By that. I mean, do they give you an idea of when they're going to make a decision or not?
"We're getting paperwork together and hope to have something to you in the next day or two."
That's good news. They're getting an offer together for you. You follow up by asking them what they're thinking about in the way of money so that you know what their thoughts are.
But, think about it for a second. The recruiter is there working as an agent of the employer. Their goal is to hold you in place until the employer makes a decision. Your goal is to get a job. Don't fall for the con that the recruiter's giving you. Go directly to HR and say, "When I spoke with so and so from the agency, they told me no decision as of yet. Hang in there. The team really liked me. Could you give me a sense of when they're going to be making a decision?" Or "Could you give me an idea of a timeline when they're going to be making a decision," so that you have a sense of, of what to expect from them."

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I Haven’t Heard Back Since My Interview | JobSearchRadio.com

April 14, 2019April 14, 2019 by Jeff

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Should I email the recruiter or my interviewer? What are some tips in order to hear back after I email either one of them?

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The question is, "I haven't heard back from anyone after my interview. Should I email my recruiter or the interviewer? What are some tips I should know before I hear back from either 1 of them?"

Here is one observation-- I don't know you recently you did the interview. If you did it today and you haven't heard it by 4 o'clock it may just be too soon for them to get feedback. Also, I don't know what kind of recruiter this is. Are you talking about a corporate recruiter? Third-party recruiter? I'm going to try to address a lot of my contingencies with this answer but, in the meantime, let's work on this question..

I haven't heard back from anyone.. You obviously want to hear back. Here's the easiest way to hear back-- Knock their socks off. Blow everyone else out of the water. Impress the heck out of them so that they go, "Oh! We cannot let this person leave our offices. . We cannot let them leave our domicile without a job offer!

Obviously, this did not happen. So let's go on to the next scenario.

Sure I will email the recruiter or my interviewer? Let's start by looking at the recruiter. Corporate recruiter? Third-party recruiter? If you are introduced by a third-party recruiter, definitely contact them,,,, not the interviewer. If it is a corporate recruiter,, it depends on what the initial introduction was. If you are introduced by someone within the firm and the 1st interview that you did was with the hiring manager and then with the recruiter, go to the hiring manager 1st because you are introduced by someone to them..

If this was just, "I answered an ad. They called me and it was a good interview," contact the corporate recruiter.. They are really running point on the relationship with you. They may not have heard anything yet.

How can you get some feedback after the interview in order to hear back? The easiest thing to do is, at the end of the last meeting that you had, get a sense of their timeline.

When they asked, "So do you have any questions for us," go through a series of questions.. When they ask, "Is there anything else," ask them, "Could you give me a sense of your timeline for next steps? This way, I have reasonable expectations about what I might hear back from you. . I know it is not cast in stone. I know it may take a few days longer, . But, if., "You will hear from me tomorrow if it is good news,," and that is a week later, I know my answer. that's one thing.

Another way that you can do it is, when they ask, "Is there anything else,," ask, "What were your impressions of me today? What did you perceive my strengths to be? Where could I do better? And I compare with others that you've interviewed?"

You see, you are looking for feedback and you're waiting for them to call you with it, so it is either thumbs-up or thumbs down. There's not a lot of room in the middle. Every once in a while, you get a, "Were not sure about this guy." With time, that always turns into a rejection..

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Follow Up | Career Angles

March 21, 2019March 21, 2019 by Jeff

Following up is one of the most important skills someone can develop professionally. The call may be daily, every other day or weekly over lengthy periods of time but understand that the person you are following up with knows how to tell you to jump off a bridge and go to . . .well you know where they can tell you where to go and what you can do once you get there.

However, there are many times when their procrastination is a test as to whether they can persuade you they are unwilling to be helped, unworthy of your care and assistance and just unable to make a decision.

Don’t quit until they tell you to go away and, even then, make them explain it to you. You’ve earned that respect with your follow up.

Also, understand that when they tell you to take that trip to THAT PLACE or perform that biologically impossible act, they are trying an immature push away that you can respond to with questions.

You have earned their answers with all of your follow ups.

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Ask The Big Game Hunter: Following Up After Being Turned Down | JobSearchTV.com

February 3, 2019February 3, 2019 by Jeff

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Should I Follow Up With the Recruiter or the Hiring Manager? | JobSearchTV.com

November 12, 2018November 12, 2018 by Jeff

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A classic dilemma job hunters face is choosing who to follow up with. There is a “it depends” to the answer that is worth hearing.

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Someone wrote to me asking the question. "Should I follow up with the recruiter or the hiring manager?" Now, I think there's "a depends "in there but ,most of the time, I'm going to tell you to follow up with the agency recruiter that represented youto the hiring manager rather than the . . We.Let me actually let me just finish. The agency recruiter has a relationship with the hiring manager. You don't. And even if you say to me, "I want to send the thank you note as a follow-up," that's good, but my experience when I did search is that there were so many thank you letters that were badly written with spelling errors, grammatical issues that I wanted to look at it first before they sent it to the hiring manager. So as a matter, of course, work through the recruiter and you can contact the recruiter and say, " hey, look, I wanted want to send them a thank you note to the hiring manager," and they'll probably perk up a little bit because they'll think that's a good idea. "Can I send it to you first for a quick review before sending it to them?" They'll say, " sure." They'll look at it and if it's good, they'll take apart some of the things that you've done that are incorrect like a nice generic, "thank you." "I just wanted to thank you for the time that you start with me today. I believe I'd be a valuable asset for your organization." That's not a good enough thank you letter. I would want you to hit points that, or reiterate points that you made during the interview that demonstrated your fit for the role, not just something generic. And ,again, send it to the recruiter first for proofreading and grammatical checks in order to ensure that it presents you in the best possible light. HR person at organization. Now, again, I'm going to differentiate between agency recruiter which is how I answered the first part of this and corporate recruiter. I think, in general, you are better off messaging the corporate recruiter, rather than the hiring manager and some people are going to say, "what are you crazy?" Let me just give you that this scenario. The hiring manager really doesn't care yet. I'm going to assume that this is after the first interview. And, as such, doing a quick message to the HR recruiter to say, " I haven't heard anything for a few days now after my interview. Have you received any feedback is useful .Then, they say, "no, I haven't. Let me get in touch with them and then follow up with you". It's better than having your your message left in the voicemail for the hiring manager who starts to feel a certain amount of pressure from you, which you may think you want but it's better coming from the corporate recruiter. So, again,, work through the recruiter. Now, if you don't hear anything for a few days yet.,The probability is they're not interestedor they're not ready to commit to going forward I would, again, at this point contact the hiring manager and simply say , "I just wanted to follow up after our interview. You gave me the idea to may be making decisions about who to bring back for another round. I want to continue to express my interest in the role and circle back to you. Now, I want to remind you ofmy initial suggestion about following up with the agency recruiter was predicated on you sending a thanking up to the hiring manager. So, in doing this ,you can always reference the fact that you are expressing continued interest and. wanted to see what the status of the role was, whether you were still under consideration or whether you should consider moving on. Again, the first answer I gave was having your thanking note sent to the agency recruiter. to then send to the hiring manager. The second suggestion was following up with the corporate recruiter to see if they've heard anything yet and just hadn't gotten to you because the hiring manager's not going to make that communication of non-interest t.He HR person will. And, from there, that will probably jolt them into taking action and you'll probably hear back within a day or " I'm sure they're still interviewing. We should have a decision the next . . . However long it is. That will be the typical type of answer.

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Use A Surrogate | JobSearchRadio.com

November 4, 2018November 4, 2018 by Jeff

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There are often better ways to handle things than badgering a hiring manager.

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Here's a lesson we can take from politicians and too few of us use it. When politicians want to criticize someone, particularly presidential candidates, are they out there and not in their opponent… Well, this year it's a little bit different… But, traditionally, are they out there knocking their opponent or 2. They have a surrogate out there doing it for them?

Answer. A Surrogate.

People in office, and usually a president, doesn't take time to criticize because it doesn't make them look "Presidential." They have the Vice President do it for them. Politicians (again, this is been an exceptional year) usually have a surrogate do it for them. So, instead of Sec. Clinton criticizing Donald Trump, she sends out a surrogate like 1 of the people who has been working for the Clintons over the years. These people go out there and do the dirty work. That's the traditional way to handle it.

For you as a job hunter or a marketing person following up on something, having a surrogate do it for you goes a long way toward making your hands look," clean," versus "dirty." For example, you want to follow up and you have been introduced or knows someone in the organization. Instead of reaching out directly to the hiring manager, have your surrogate, have the person you know who works there . Check behind the scenes and do it for you, instead of you doing it yourself. Instead of putting the call in, and the recruiter who represented call them.

It's far better to do that than to go in there correctly. Ultimately, if the surrogate does it for you. People may get annoyed at the surrogate, rather than you, so you still maintain the "halo" around the. This will become important as time goes on.

So, I don't care if it's in job search, business development or sale situations, going behind the scenes and having a surrogate represent you goes much further toward maintaining your image and still getting results.

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How to Follow Up After An Interview. When to Follow Up After An Interview.| JobSearchRadio.com

June 15, 2018June 15, 2018 by Jeff

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There is definitely a wrong way to answer this question which I point out and a million right ways.

Summary

The subject of this 1 is when to follow-up and how to follow up.

There is a pretty common school for that is correct about sending a thank you note immediately after the interview. However, to me, the follow-up really starts at the end of your interview when they are about to wrap it up and they say something like, "any final questions?" Or, you know the interview is Andy and 1 of your questions needs to be, "When do you expect to finish this round of interviews?" The can always be a delay but you are getting a sense of their timeline.

"You're the 1st person were meeting with that we don't have anyone else scheduled."

"I understand but when do you expect to be following up on this round?"

Or they might say, "We have 3 or four more people scheduled. We should be done by the end of next week."

"Terrific. Do you mind if I check back with you after that?"

"No. No problem at all."

"Great!"

After the interview, send a thank you note that thanks them for making the time to speak with you. Don't just simply send it to one person for a group. Send it to each individual person who you met with. Tailor it slightly differently for each person. Email it, don't US mail it. Don't go to your car, write it out, and delivered back to their reception desk. It seems cheesy.

My suggestion is to get a card from everyone that you meet with as you are finishing up. If they don't have a card, call reception, call the main number and indicate that you want to get an email address for someone that you interview with. I'm sure you'll be able to get it. If not, you can get from LinkedIn or do a Google search. It's not a big deal.

Send a thank you note to each and once the date approaches, and you haven't heard anything, I know the convention is to stay in touch by sending an article but like that idea because of her from too many managers who said to me, "Are they sending this to me for? I don't get this." It becomes a turnoff to them. That's obviously not what you want to do.

You get to the point we were expecting to hear (if you are working as a recruiter, contact the recruiter; if your cup working directly with the firm, contact the firm), if the recruiter is in getting back to you. Maybe that's a single with the firm wasn't interested or that he or she doesn't know yet. Give it a day and then contact the firm directly.

When all is said and done, the message that you might lead with is, "Hi! When we met, you indicated that you would be done with your round of interviewing around now. I haven't heard anything. Have things been delayed at all?"

Wait for them to call back; if they don't, take it is the signal of rejection because if they were interested, there by trying to keep you warm while the process extended itself.

Again, from a process perspective, find out timeline at the interview, send a thank you note to each person that you met with afterwards, from there, follow-up, not on the day, but the day after they told you that the interview cycle would be done just to check in.

"Hi! I just want to see where you stood on your interviewing has there been a delay?" Then wait for them to call or not. All the while, you continue to interview so that you are not depending on this 1 firm for whether or not you are going to be landing a job.

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